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MrSnoogans 11:15 Fri Sep 27
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ever watched 'explained' on Netflix?

new episode is about cults. helpful 25min explanation.

Its all proper weird but you cant help but feel sorry for some of the members.

HairyHammer 8:51 Fri Sep 27
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Scientology is pretty nuts just like Cruise Travolta and Kirstie Alley, it makes about as much sense as eating your own dogs shit and drinking snail froth to get special super powers.
I do not know how people get conned into it though I guess the famous actors helped it, although it is dying on its arse now because of those who are speaking out.
Not so bad to the rich followers and absolute cunts to the poor ones sounds like Capitalism to me.

PwoperNaughtyButNot 8:26 Thu Sep 26
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I think they believe in creatures from beyond the stars, powerful beings controlling all, devotion of your life to deity’s that sort of stuff

I’d stick to the real religions that can at least prove their source material

gph 6:11 Wed Sep 25
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Can't quite figure out how someone as up himself as LRH didn't choose omicRON

WHU(Exeter) 6:11 Wed Sep 25
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I've read bits and pieces about Kabbalah, each to their own but to me that goes off on some mental angles that can't be too dissimilar to more modern day cults.

no surprise that Madonna is/was into it.

Mike Oxsaw 5:18 Wed Sep 25
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What about π? Loads of potential:

π arse queered for LGBTWXYZ issues

πi man for an imaginary Geordie mathematician,

πthon-esque for something you find funny

In the Sweet π&π if you feel lyrical.

The πssibilities are πcking endless.

Mike Oxsaw 5:18 Wed Sep 25
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What about π? Loads of potential:

π arse queered for LGBTWXYZ issues

πi man for an imaginary Geordie mathematician,

πthon-esque for something you find funny

In the Sweet π&π if you feel lyrical.

The πssibilities are πcking endless.

147man 3:07 Wed Sep 25
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You cant have Lambda I've got plans for it

gph 2:55 Wed Sep 25
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I need a Greek letter to start my own cult.

Alpha-epsilon have been spoiled by Brave New World. That Jones woman has got zeta, the Hubbardites have got theta...

Have all the others been taken?

Far East Hammer 7:24 Wed Sep 25
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Some interesting stuff on how Bill Burroughs quickly took to Scientology and then turned very much against it.

One piece c&p hereunder. But there are plenty more.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/william-s-burroughs-wild-ride-with-scientology-5800673

William S. Burroughs’ Wild Ride with Scientology

In 1959, the same year Olympia Press published his most famous novel Naked Lunch, the writer William S. Burroughs visited the restaurant of his friend and collaborator, Brion Gysin, in Tangiers. There, Burroughs met John and Mary Cooke, a wealthy American hippie couple who were interested in mysticism. Burroughs recalled, "There was something portentous about it, as though I was seeing them in another medium, like they were sitting there as holograms."

Who were these portentous holograms? Scientologists. Indeed, John Cooke is reported to have been the very first person to receive a status of "Clear" within Scientology, and was deeply involved in its founding. Cooke had been trying to recruit Gysin into the Church, declaring that the artist was a natural "Clear" and "Operating Thetan." Ultimately, it was Burroughs, not Gysin, who explored the Church that L. Ron Hubbard built. Burroughs took Scientology so seriously that he became a "Clear" and almost became an "Operating Thetan."

On a research trip to the New York Public Library, I discovered that Burroughs had left behind a rich paper trail documenting his exploration of the science-fiction inspired Church.

I was looking into Burroughs' life as part of a bigger project about his influence on punk, which led me to the the Henry W. and Albert A. Berg Collection at the NYPL. The William S. Burroughs Papers have a range of amazing materials related to Burroughs's exploration of Scientology, including extensive handwritten notes Burroughs took on Scientological training materials, notes from auditing sessions Burroughs conducted, and even a cut-up of auditing questions.

According to his biographer, Barry Miles, Burroughs very quickly incorporated Scientology into his worldview. In an October 27, 1959 letter to Allen Ginsberg, Burroughs wrote: "The method of directed recall is the method of Scientology. You will recall I wrote urging you to contact local chapter and find an auditor. They do the job without hypnosis or drugs, simply run the tape back and forth until the trauma is wiped off. It works. I have used the method—partially responsible for recent changes." Burroughs thought that the Church was teaching techniques that might help him resist social control by erasing negative images called "engrams" and its ideas came to inform his art.

Only two days later, Burroughs wrote again to Ginsberg: "I have a new method of writing and do not want to publish anything that has not been inspected and processed. I cannot explain this method to you until you have necessary training. So once again and most urgently (believe me there is not much time)—I tell you: 'Find a Scientology Auditor and have yourself run.'" Scientology appears throughout Burroughs's oeuvre, and especially in his innovative cut-up trilogy of the sixties and in the avant-garde films he made with Gysin.

Again and again in his writings and interviews, Burroughs mentions the E-meter as Scientology's most important contribution to a science of the mind. The E-meter, Burroughs thought, was "really a sort of sloppy form of electrical brain stimulation… a lie-detector and a mind-reading machine… Not the content, only the reactions." Elsewhere Burroughs described the E-meter as a "useful device for deconditioning," or the elimination of imposed or habitual reactions of symbols and figures. The goal is to achieve something like a "floating needle," a therapeutic method Burroughs claimed to sometimes use. In his book of interviews, The Job, Burroughs explained his view that Scientology could help counter "the Reactive Mind… an ancient instrument of control designed to stultify and limit the potential for action in a constructive or destructive direction." Burroughs associated the Reactive Mind with Mayan calendars, which he described in the same interview as "one of the most precise and hermetic control calendars ever… on this planet, a calendar that in effect controlled what the populace did thought and felt on any day."

In 1961, Burroughs created a short film in collaboration with Gysin called Towers Open Fire (warning: NSFW!), which was a plotless film designed to show the process of control systems breaking down-showing Burroughs, in camouflage and a gas mask, firing an "orgasm gun"; a boy in underwear; a spinning Dream Machine; a shot of a man masturbating; among other disturbing images. Gysin's biographer notes that the film even used snippets of dialog taken from a Scientology pamphlet.

Scientology appears again disguised as the "Logos" group in Burroughs's 1962 novel The Ticket That Exploded. As described in the book, Logos has "a system of therapy they call ‘clearing'. You ‘run' traumatic material which they call ‘engrams' until it loses emotional connotation through repetitions and is then refilled as neutral memory' When all the ‘engrams' have been run and deactivated the subject becomes a ‘clear.'" In the 1964 novel Nova Express, Scientology is for the first time openly described in Burroughs's fiction. During an interrogation scene in the book, an unnamed character declares "The Scientologists believe sir that words recorded during a period of unconsciousness… store pain and that this pain store can be lugged in with key words represented as an alternate mathematical formulae indicating umber of exposures to the key words and reaction index… they call these words recorded during unconsciousness engrams sir… The pain that overwhelms that person is basic basic sir and when basic basic is wiped off the tape… then that person becomes what they call clear sir."

At the start of 1968, Burroughs deepened his relationship to the Church. He took an intense two-month Scientology Clearing Course at the world headquarters of Scientology in Saint Hill Manor in the UK and Burroughs was declared a "Clear," though he later claimed that he had to work hard to suppress or rationalize his persistently negative feelings toward L. Ron Hubbard during auditing sessions. The Berg has almost a dozen files filled with Burroughs's pamphlets from Saint Hill as well as his almost unreadable hand-written notes on Scientology courses and questions he prepared for auditing sessions he himself conducted. These files include, as I've mentioned, an attempt to create a cut-up from auditing questions; from the start, Scientology was very much connected to the cut-up technique and Burroughs's theory that language constituted a kind of virus that had infested the human host. At Saint Hill, Burroughs entered an intense and obsessive period of auditing sessions with an E-Meter, including a process of exploring past lives, though he slowly began to grow alienated from the Church and what he considered its Orwellian security protocols. Burroughs's antipathy for Scientological "Sec Checks" are apparent in his strange and violent story, "Ali's Smile," which was published in the collection Ali's Smile/Naked Scientology.

Burroughs eventually rejected Scientology—because of what he called "the fascist policies of Hubbard and his organization"—but cautiously endorsed some of its "discoveries." His break with the Church developed over course of the late sixties in the pages of the London-based magazine, Mayfair, where Burroughs wrote a series of increasingly hostile "bulletins" about his adventures with the organization. These bulletins culminated in Burroughs's amusingly titled Mayfair article, "I, William Burroughs, Challenge You, L. Ron Hubbard." This piece was republished in the Los Angeles Free Press. In his challenge to L. Ron, Burroughs wrote:

Some of the techniques [of Scientology] are highly valuable and warrant further study and experimentation. The E Meter is a useful device… (many variations of this instrument are possible). On the other hand I am in flat disagreement with the organizational policy. No body of knowledge needs an organizational policy. Organizational policy can only impede the advancement of knowledge. There is a basic incompatibility between any organization and freedom of thought.

For his inquiries, Burroughs reports, he was expelled from the organization and in 1968 was put into what Scientologists call a condition of "Treason"; though the exact circumstances surrounding this incident remain unclear. Burroughs's public battle against the Church continued in a 1972 issue of Rolling Stone, where he expressed his support for Robert Kaufmann's exposé, Inside Scientology, published by Olympia Press. Here Burroughs uses his harshest language yet: "Scientology is a model control system, a state in fact with its own courts, police, rewards and penalties." Strangely enough, despite his break with the group, Scientology reappeared in the 1972 film Bill and Tony, which Burroughs made with Antony Balch (the masturbating guy in Towers Open Fire). In Bill and Tony, an image of Burroughs's disembodied floating head recites instructions for how to operate an auditing session.

So what are we supposed to make of all this? On one level it's hard to say, but what ought to be abundantly clear is that Burroughs took Scientology quite seriously indeed for the better part of a decade—during what was arguably his most artistically fertile period. Burroughs clearly had his own uses for Scientology. Gysin once quipped that Burroughs was probably the first person to make more money from Scientology than the organization made from him. This may be true, but Burroughs wasn't investigating the Church cynically. Today, where so much attention focuses on the science fictional origins of Scientology, it is easy to forget how seemingly in harmony the Church was with a whole range of countercultural, "New Age," and anti-psychiatric practices in the Sixties.

What becomes clear when you listen to Burroughs talking about Scientology is that he associated the group with a range of mind-expanding and mind-freeing practices: Wilhelm Reich's trippy Orgone Accumulator, which Jack Kerouac wrote about in On the Road; Mayan calendrical mind control systems; hallucinogens (especially the plant yagé) and other powerful mind-altering drugs; apomorphine, which he used several times to treat his drug addiction; the rambling, sarcastic monologues he called "routines"; the Dream Machine Burroughs invented with Gysin, a machine that supposedly could simulate "alpha-waves"; and of course his ultimate weapon in the Burroughs arsenal, the cut-up, which was designed to jam up what he called "the Reality Studio," aka the everyday, conditioned, mind-controlled reality. If you spend enough time digging through Burroughs's writing, you get the sense that Burroughs thought he lived in a very literally real science fictional world.

Absent from Burroughs's writing are any references to body thetans, Xenu, the Galactic Confederacy, Douglas DC-8 airliners, volcanic hydrogen bombs, or other beliefs more recently associated with Scientology, thanks to the South Park episode, "Trapped in the Closet" and Lawrence Wright's epically long New Yorker article on the defection of the film director Paul Haggis from the church). It's too bad Burroughs didn't achieve a higher OT level; he could have mined Scientology's madcap space opera as a source for even more mind-bending books.

Godwinson 4:03 Mon Sep 23
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Have a look at Operation Clambake. There's some good stuff on there.

Coffee 3:59 Mon Sep 23
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zebthecat 3:08 Mon Sep 23

Ha ha! Didn't hear about that. They have some rather odd people working in that little KFC. And the traffic wardens opposite are evil.

Leonard Hatred 3:42 Mon Sep 23
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Zeb

I am at Saint Hill Manor now.

riosleftsock 3:24 Mon Sep 23
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Moncurs Putting Iron 3:15 Mon Sep 23

Retract. That last part was a fucking lie!

Moncurs Putting Iron 3:15 Mon Sep 23
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Grumpster 3:06 Mon Sep 23
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Same.

But it's a conscious decision on my part, in the same way that I don't know much about crack cocaine or how to sell my bum to strangers for money.


zebthecat 3:08 Mon Sep 23
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Coffee 3:03 Mon Sep 23

Indeed.
A couple of years ago they had their annual get together at Saint Hill Manor. John Travolta was the main speaker and he tried to book the local KFC exclusively for him and guests but the KFC person on the phone didn't believe it was him and turned the booking down.

Grumpster 3:06 Mon Sep 23
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Considering what a household name it is, I literally know nothing about it other than that Tom Cruise was into it.

I never have any interest in anything religious or cultist, as they are generally supporting and run by weirdo's and dangerous fuckers.

Sven Roeder 3:04 Mon Sep 23
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Sure I read at one point L Ron Hubbard based his operations on a yacht in the Med where he sailed around the islands with a crew of young attractive women in tiny shorts.
That was the women in tiny shorts not Ronnie.
I thought he’d made a death bed confession that the above was all that it was ever about ie conning a bunch of people to give him money so that he could live the high life.
Well done that man.

Be nice if the Pope admitted the same before he popped off

Coffee 3:03 Mon Sep 23
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Jolly old East Grinstead

zebthecat 2:58 Mon Sep 23
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Lee Trundle 1:55 Mon Sep 23

It is about half a mile from my house.

Cheezey Bell-End 2:52 Mon Sep 23
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They also have a big place in Bayswater. Think it's Leinster Terrace.

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