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goose 12:23 Wed Jan 22
This coronavirus in China
anyone else worried? 9 dead so far.

CNY soon so the virus will spread very quickly if they cannot control it. It'll be in Europe by the end of CNY if not earlier.

is this the end of humanity?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51202216

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riosleftsock 6:55 Sun Apr 11
Re: This coronavirus in China
Mike

Bizarrely it seems Fauci might have been involved.

He authorised the gain of function research being carried out at Fort Dettrick, and apparently when Obama was made aware, he closed it down.

Fauci then worked to get Wuhan upgraded to P4 lab status and then went round the back to get the funding sent out to the Wuhan lab to carry on the gain of function research.

The bloke (english) heading up the WHO investigation looks like he's another old mate of Fauci's.

Mike Oxsaw 3:42 Sun Apr 11
Re: This coronavirus in China
I suggested, right at the start of this, that the most likely source, given the timing, was the contractor tasked with disposing of the animal corpses selling everything to the wet market rather than incinerating the ones so marked.

Start of CNY, lab closed for two weeks. By the time everyone was back at work, nobody would even bother looking at how he delivered on his contract.

Only, this time, he - or rather, the world - got unlucky.

riosleftsock 3:36 Sun Apr 11
Re: This coronavirus in China
"Surely that puts to bed the conspiracy theory that the Chinese developed COVID in a lab and intentionally spread it around the world."

I think the fact that they deliberately spread it around the word is pretty obvious.

Lily Hammer 3:11 Sun Apr 11
Re: This coronavirus in China
I feel an accidental lab leak is most likely, and the Chinese are more likely to have some degree of general covid immunity, as they have lived with these kind of viruses for god knows how long.

Time may tell.

Darby_ 2:34 Sun Apr 11
Re: This coronavirus in China
It's interesting hearing how useless the Chinese vaccine is. Surely that puts to bed the conspiracy theory that the Chinese developed COVID in a lab and intentionally spread it around the world.

If they'd intended to do that, they probably would have developed a vaccine that could actually stop it. They're not out of the woods now if their vaccine is useless. If they open borders again it could start spreading, or else they'll have to beg the West for a vaccine that actually works.

Mike Oxsaw 11:06 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
I spent 12 or so years working in SE Asia and over that time I did notice obesity on the rise.

There seemed to be a correlation to the number of Western fast food franchises opening up everywhere in the region.

I don't know if that leads through to covid susceptibility or not, but it did seem that many younger people were less active as my time there progressed (although that could also be down to their fanatical addiction to mobile phones).

Lily Hammer 10:18 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Yeah, what I think will come out of all this is will boil down to general health. Norwegians are not quite as healthy as when I first came here 25 years ago, but they are still pretty damn healthy compared to the USA and UK, for example. Loads of vitamin d supplements in the winter, and loads of salmon all year round, plus they get out in the sun a lot once it’s warmer than 13 degrees C. Southern Europe, they don’t have many vitamin D supplements and a lot of the old folk avoid the sun in the summer.

Side of Ham 9:41 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
I heard someone say they used to stock up on M&S curries.......can’t be too healthy that.....

Swiss. 9:36 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Lily Hammer

As Branded mentioned and in other dispatches obesity is a factor. In my experience of Sweden you don't see this. Generally they are healthy with a good diet...all that Sill.

People in the UK eat shit like Greggs all day and are generally unhealthy.

Lily Hammer 9:26 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Stockholm is still a big city of a couple of million, so stats per 100,000 inhabitants won’t be significantly different. It’s too big to compare completely with the other Nordic countries, but also too small to do likewise with big countries like Germany, UK, France etc, but it’s fair to compare per capita with larger urban areas, which is where most of the action is.

Mike Oxsaw 9:01 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Lily Hammer 5:59 Sat Apr 10

Sweden doesn't really have the population densities of it's western peers though does it?

Population about the same as London in a country which, if you hinged it about it's southernmost point, it's northernmost point would be on the equator. Lots of empty spaces for the virus to go nowhere.

BRANDED 6:41 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Obesity, seasonality, previous exposures to corona viruses, T cells, Vit d, ethnicity, wealth, multi generational families, hospital and care home practices, underlying morbidities, health care provision, health care communications, track and trace, support for those who are required to isolate.

Lily Hammer 5:59 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Sweden could have been a bit better with it’s aged population, but even with those errors, they still haven’t had it particularly bad compared to countries that had much stricter lockdowns.

There is possibly quite a few different variables, aside from lockdowns, that have been affecting the severity of this virus that have not yet been credited.

BRANDED 5:51 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
It’s not entirely surprising that happily socialist countries have fared reasonably well as extreme social responsibility seems to be required. That said places like Korea have social responsibility without socialism. So it can be done by social mindsets.

BRANDED 5:48 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
I think I’ve consistently said that each place is different for all kinds of reasons.

My ideal, as I’ve said, is for a liberal state, with freedoms for the individual to chose and the ability to deal with health or any other kind of emergency by being prepared and having the right resources.

The West haven’t had anything like this for a very long time and as a result we’re not properly prepared and the mind sets of the popukations were generally poorly prepared.

It’s not entirely surprising that happily sos is list countries have desired reasonably well as extreme social responsibility seems to be required. That said places like Korea have social responsibility without socialism. So it can be done by social mindsets.

Of course coming from a highly liberal mindset I realise how hard it is to require people to behave in extremely restricted ways when the evidence suggests that it might not make too much difference between enforced restrictions ( lock downs) and socially agreed distancing and cleanliness.

Mike Oxsaw 5:29 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
BRANDED 5:20 Sat Apr 10

Understood.

Going back to the examples I pressed you for, Florida is more a "go to" rather than a transit destination, so Australia/New Zealand would be better comparisons with that state.

I don't think Sweden fared that well over the duration of the pandemic - quite a few negative messages were coming from their health sector.

To be honest, I'd find it difficult to select a "got it right" country/state across the duration of the pandemic, but in the "fucked it up then took the right steps to resolve the issue", the UK comes close to the top. South Korea & Thailand are often held up as examples of managing the virus, but even they (still) have problems.

Taiwan as top of the tree, maybe?

BRANDED 5:29 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Sweden had similar problems to locked down nations. Namely hospitals and care homes. In the West we have a lot of susceptible people and when a virus comes along it’s hard to keep it away from them. They took a holistic view that everyone matters and society as a whole is more important than one part of it.

Swiss. 5:24 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
BRANDED 4:44 Sat Apr 10

Good article that. You can see the cases have plateaued since the 2nd wave. Manageable and yet not destroying people's lives.

I see the death rates in the UK are only 9th per head per capita

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Great work overtaking N Macedonia and Moldova.

Sweden is 23rd.

BRANDED 5:20 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
Mike.

You have two main issues. Health and health care. This situation has generally improved a lot in most places and will continue to improve.

Then there is public opinion formed by the information they are getting. So loads of people will quietly move around the World while the plebs will be hit with costs and restrictions.

Over time people will get used to Covid in general and might become more open mi fed about travel for the masses.

Mike Oxsaw 5:13 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
I suspect that what will happen with international travel is that every country will have it's own "traffic light" system, which will create some interesting outcomes:

England may regard Portugal in it's Amber zone, for instance, but Portugal may regard England as in it's Green zone, so you can travel one way quarantine free, but the other not so.

That may well be far too difficult for the ski-wankers to work out, so the travel industry will thcweam and thcweam and thcweam on their behalf.

ChillTheKeel 5:11 Sat Apr 10
Re: This coronavirus in China
I'm sure they're devastated by that news.

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