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goose 12:23 Wed Jan 22
This coronavirus in China
anyone else worried? 9 dead so far.

CNY soon so the virus will spread very quickly if they cannot control it. It'll be in Europe by the end of CNY if not earlier.

is this the end of humanity?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51202216

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zico 4:40 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Off the point a bit but if anyone wants a laugh read this. He should try surviving on 14K per year!!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...lary-shrank-to-150k/ar-BB19cITU?ocid=msedgdhp

WHU(Exeter) 2:22 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Mashed, I do think that people (increasingly) do like a bit of fear in their lives.
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Been back in work properly for a couple months, and the ones coming back more lately and a lot of the staff messages we get bang on and on about 'the new normal' and YET almost in the next breath or paragraph, they also go on equally about how things are changing on an almost daily basis. And some of those banging on about this new normal are also the ones going on about how all the new rules are confusing.

QUICK HANDY HINT....NORMAL does not not change on an almost every other fucking day basis.

Another thing I genuinely don't understand...why do people consider it absolutely essential to don a mask whilst nipping to the corner shop, and YET not bother when they are inside the homes of their family and close friends? its ALMOST AS IF being seen to be doing the 'right' thing, is a hell of a lot more important than genuinely believing it. Because I'd imagine that most people value their family and friends a lot more than some random bloke down the shop.

BRANDED 2:19 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Here is a very interesting article regarding the ethics around Covid 19,hospital care and clinical decision making in a moment of crisis that it would seem is dictating some of the decisions now. Who gets treated, how and in what kind of priority when resources become scarce, particularly if it’s due to the pathogen.

It’s proper serious language so bear that in mind.


https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00702-7

Hefty Bill 2:11 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Riosleftsock...agree not been established yet

mashed in maryland 2:02 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Ex

"It is not normal at all and I genuinely think that in a few years time a lot will look back on all of this and wonder how it got to a point where it could be pushed as such"


Much of it, imo, is to do with what's called trauma bonding; people get a sense of joint purpose when in a state of mutual fear etc. This is why so many people are happy to grass up their neighbours etc., cos they get to feel like they're proactively "doing their bit".

I reckon a lot of the "FOLLOW THE RULES, WEAR A MASK, STAY THE FUCK HOME" brigade never want it to end.

Every totalitarian regime in history relied on people like that to enforce the rules. And every time they fall, those people are in trouble. Not saying that our current crop are anywhere close to Stalin etc., just that this'll be over one day and you wouldn't want "covid marshal" on your CV when it is....

Mike Oxsaw 2:00 Sat Sep 19
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dealcanvey 1:10 Sat Sep 19

Maybe the first wave polished off most of those at risk so there are fewer likely to die in this and subsequent waves - I think that's the "herd immunity" argument and the repeated cycle will "weed out" more & more at risk as time passes until there are so few it's regarded as no worse than 'flu.

Bit of a pisser if you or a loved one fall into or enter the "at risk" category during that period, but, hey! Taking one for the team, innit????

riosleftsock 1:46 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
"know that every person infected can unknowingly spread infection before they themselves exhibit any symptoms"

Actually, we don't know that.

dealcanvey 1:10 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Averaging 3-4000 cases a day and around 20 deaths.

Either this second wave is going to be nowhere near as deadly or many more people have had the virus than first thought.

Crassus 12:41 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Geepers
Yes mate, as you said and was again below, the correct process to a false positive conclusion is to retest those positives
Interestingly, and once again as you said, the false positives are predominantly a result of residual anti bodies and in a far fewer cases, faulty test kits

Couple of other points he made that have not been elsewhere
1/ The age demographic of the alleged positives; not as one would think given the press reports of the non compliant young'uns being super spreaders, even with a return to school, the result is distributed through the age ranges in fair proportion. This supporting the false positive theory further
2/ To counter the whole testing debacle, and with the log jam at the lab testing stage, he noted that marquees with benches had been established, with simultaneous processing taking place side by side. By any scientific protocol the forensic integrity of the test results would be void and certainly inadmissible in criminal investigations

I really do struggle to grasp what is going on here?
Overt up scaling of fatalities, followed by obvious and unacceptable testing procedures - it begs the question of why?

Golden Oldie 12:00 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Authentic authoritative 77th brigade blue tick influencers all on the same page, seems pretty organic, must have had the same dream or summink.

"Antivaccine rhetoric is dangerous. Vaccine hesitance and refusal threaten public health, and assault on lawmakers and others is unacceptable. #StopAntivaxViolence /vaccineswork"

https://twitter.com/bilks/status/1305844435964637184

, 11:58 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Forget about discussing infection levels and rates it’s a distraction.

People know that covid 19 is highly infectious, know that every person infected can unknowingly spread infection before they themselves exhibit any symptoms, know that it’s possible to carry the infection with often mild almost unnoticeable signs. And lastly people know the means by which it is possible to minimise the chances of themselves and others from being infected.

What we have now is a societal issue.

BRANDED 11:26 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
The lockdown and isolation thing was typical before modern science. Modern science made us believe we are invincible, until we actually die and then there’s all kinds of howling and wailing. The greatest lie is the belief you will all live to a grand old age and die quietly in your sleep of old age. This lie is at the heart of the government communications. They know old people clutter up the health system for lots of reasons but mostly because it’s not a health system it’s mostly a place for sickly old people to be kept living a bit longer. New pathogens highlight this very well.

stewie griffin 11:23 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Agreed, ex. The only new normal is that we'll be taxed to fuck to pay for all this shit. The only question is when

WHU(Exeter) 11:22 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
"is the result of how we've chosen to live over the past 20 years or so"

Bang on the money.

for every action though, a reaction...instead of speeding and cementing this new 'normal', think the reaction coming will be absolutely against it in time.

WHU(Exeter) 11:19 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Mashed, I totally agree about the constant repetition about "the new normal".

Covid is no worse and a lot less worse than so many things that the world has faced before, but nothing, none of those things, has resulted in a 'new normal' afterwards where thousands of years of real normal human behaviour involving close interaction, face to face contacts etcetc have then been considered as something that is somehow gone forever.

Whether all of these measures are necessary is up for debate, but pushing these things as the new 'normal' and something that we'll all have to get used to forever?..

It is not normal at all and I genuinely think that in a few years time a lot will look back on all of this and wonder how it got to a point where it could be pushed as such.

stewie griffin 11:13 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Broadly agree, but I'm not of the opinion that there's some mass cover up or conspiracy. Most of it is pretty straightforward, and some of it - per the below - is the result of how we've chosen to live over the past 20 years or so

BRANDED 10:57 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
I understand that. What I don’t understand is why people don’t do their own research. Or, maybe you think that the Government line is the best truth we can have? I fully expect several people to now quote my brother in law’s best attempt to discover the truth but as I have said before it made me far more confident in my life than the government line ever would have. So, having your own beliefs that give you confidence might be better than following what is most likely a lie to keep you in line.

riosleftsock 10:57 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
gph 1:41 Sat Sep 19

Correct, the accuracy when using 2 tests rises up to almost 100%. When they are talking about shutting down whole parts of the economy and destroying more lives I think they should do this as a matter of course.

stewie griffin 10:50 Sat Sep 19
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They're not allowed to tell the truth, branded.


Competence- or lack thereof - is indeed a fair question, but having campaigned for 20 odd years for people not to be allowed to tell the truth anymore, we can't start demanding it now. And the reaction would be yet more campaigning.

BRANDED 10:45 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Mashed

You have to understand that there are plenty of people who just take their words to be true. Throughout this whole affair there have been plenty of scientists who have taken a completely different view. They are just views. There are no absolutes in anything like this. What government must do is take some kind of holistic long term view and accept the people will not always behave as they hope but good honest truthful communication might help.

mashed in maryland 10:30 Sat Sep 19
Re: This coronavirus in China
Mike Oxsaw 10:51 Fri Sep 18

Because as the geezer torturing Winston in 1984 said:

"The object of power is power".

Covid and the fear around it has given the pack of monkeys in Westminster more power than they've had in decades, possibly even ever.

You think they're gonna just give that away?

(This could be quite dangerous if they weren't all so inept)

Also the sunk cost fallacy: they've invested so much into this "new normal" that they'll never, ever wanna walk it back cos it's admitting they were wrong. Precisely what you'd expect from the mindset of petulant, privileged public schoolboys who've never lived in the real world.

And no, Labour wouldn't be handling it any better, but at least they'd be honest about their totalitarian vision.

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