WHO Poll
Q: 2020/2021 Where will we finish up this season?
a. Top Four, Champions League here we come
8%
  
b. 5th-7th Europa League is well within our grasp
4%
  
c. 8th to 14th anywhere in mid table is about right
26%
  
d. We're in a dog fight before a ball has been kicked and we'll do well to finish 17th or just above
30%
  
e. GSB have derailed our season before a ball has been kicked, the Championship beckons
32%
  



Gary Strodders shank 2:53 Tue Feb 18
British managers lack of success in PL era
Last manager to win a domestic trophy was Harry Redknapp back in 2008.

Many seem to bemoan the fact that the top jobs go to foreign managers but when it comes to cup competitions they are happy to put out weakened sides even when sitting pretty in the league.

Lack of prize money in the two cups obviously a factor but surely any manager with ambition should be looking to get their hands on some silverware thus raising there profile as a winner.

Too many seem to be prepared to settle for maintaining a clubs PL status and see that as a major achievement which in fairness is what most owners strive for and consider a successful season.

Mediocrity very much the order of the day though and can’t see it ending any time soon.

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zebthecat 11:49 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
I think it has as much to do with the British attutude to managers in general when it comes to football - The how many medals have you won syndrome where how the guy was as a player was more important.
The likes of Mourinho, Klopp, Ranieri etc would never have even got on the first rung here as it stands. That is why I find the success of Chris WIlder so refreshing.

geoffpikey 11:21 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Given the multinational nature of the teams' players, I wouldn't really expect the top tier to be anything other than foreign themselves. They're more likely multi-lingual and have wider experience. (A generalisation, I know)

It's not exactly the English Premier League is it? It's the Premier League, played in England. I don't mean anything perjorative in that. It's just fact.

Gary Strodders shank 10:23 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Hands up I did mean English managers (or that’s my excuse & im sticking with it) Fergie &
Dalglish having won the PL.

mattyolmes 9:53 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
It must be racism.
Pre premier league era English managers won quite a bit but since 92 its a bit thin on the ground
http://www.footballcommunion.com/most-successful-english-football-managers/

Lack of trust in home grown talent?

ONE TROPHY

Harry Redknapp – FA Cup 2008
Steve McClaren – League Cup 2004 (plus Dutch League in 2010)
Brian Little – League Cup 1996
Joe Royle – FA Cup 1995
Roy Evans – League Cup 1995
Howard Wilkinson – Division One 1992
Terry Venables – FA Cup 1991 (plus Spanish League in 1984)
Bobby Gould – FA Cup 1988
Mick Harford – League Cup 1988
John Sillett – FA Cup 1987
Maurice Evans – League Cup 1986
Ken Brown – League Cup 1985
Ron Saunders – Division One 1981
Bobby Robson – UEFA Cup 1981 (plus Dutch League in 1991 and 1992, Portuguese Cup in 1994, Portuguese League in 1995 and 1996, Spanish Cup and Cup Winners’ Cup in 1997)
John Lyall – FA Cup 1980
John Barnwell – League Cup 1980
Tony Barton – European Cup 1980

THREE TROPHIES

Brian Clough – European Cup 1980, League Cup 1989 and 1990
Joe Fagan – Division One, League Cup and European Cup 1984
Keith Burkinshaw – FA Cup 1981 and 1982, UEFA Cup 1984

FOUR TROPHIES

Ron Atkinson – FA Cup 1983 and 1985, League Cup 1991 and 1994
Howard Kendall – Division One 1985 and 1987, FA Cup 1984, Cup Winners’ Cup 1985

SEVEN TROPHIES

Bob Paisley – Division One 1980, 1982 and 1983, League Cup 1981, 1982 and 1983, European Cup 1981

Sven Roeder 9:48 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Of course Howard Wilkinson won the last Division 1 league title.
Since then how many English managers have managed the big teams of the subsequent era ... Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea , Liverpool and Man City?

As said the best way for an English manager to get a Premier league job is to bring a Championship club up
To get a chance at one of the big clubs? Unlikely

mattyolmes 9:36 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Can we assume he meant English?
Who else apart from Harry is there in pl history?


Did Shteve McLaren win a league cup?

Razzle 4:37 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
oh dear.....in the noise of Mr Babbage (family fortunes)
Eh-uhh!

Jim79 4:34 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
leaving out Fergie, you've had a shocker on this thread son.

zico 4:29 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
What I do find strange is how some managers get chance after chance regardless on how they do at various jobs and yet some never get an opportunity. I think it possibly revolves purely about their first job or two.

Moyes for instance did well at Preston then Everton and hasn't really done anything since (unfortunately) and Fat Sam and Pullis did reasonable jobs early on hence why they were thought of as a safe pair of hands. Then you get the likes of our own Alvin Martin and Ray Stewart who had bad managerial debuts, not necessarily of their own making and never get another opportunity as was the same incredibly with Bobby Moore when it went tits up at Southend.

goose 3:18 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Alex McCleish won a league cup.

i think.

Warchild 3:16 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Not to mention the fact that Dean Smith will be a manager at the forthcoming League Cup Final.

PeterJ 3:11 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
I think you might have missed someone out you fucking sad sack

Aberdeen Iron 3:11 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Young Frank could be the next one...

Lee Trundle 3:09 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
I was just thinking about the most decorated manager in the Premier League era as well, Warchild.

Warchild 2:59 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
Err, Alex Ferguson?

goose 2:58 Tue Feb 18
Re: British managers lack of success in PL era
i think most of the current managers are still children of the 'POMO' era and Charles Hughes. it's gonna take a generation to lose the bad habits.

the 'younger' ones coming through are more forward thinking and more switched on tactically, largely because they were as players.

same way the younger players coming through now and much better technically and have a better tactical understanding.





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