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goose 12:46 Thu Jul 16
Shamima Begum

Shamima Begum has won a legal battle to be allowed to return home to fight the government's decision to remove her UK citizenship.

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Darlo Debs 11:54 Wed Nov 25
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Mike Cygnet (which is sub contracted by the NHS), snd i believe the services they run used to be run by Castlebeck are both examples of how the private sector are getting it very wrong, alongside many care homes and childrens care services.

The biggest issue though seemed to arise from.planned inspections, which enabled the management to.hide failings. This of course can happen in the public sector too (and has) but both ways of running these services must have better inspection and monitoring processes and clearer rules for staff who are left really vulnerable by grey areas in the rules set.

I can give you a clear example of this, there are times when a person's human rights clash with the clear stated rules around neglect. I was once told off by some uppity social.worker because a client was refusing to let us tend his personal care needs and we had half an hour to get the call done which included getting him.to.eat which he was also.refusing despite trying to encourage him.to do.both. He had to be put in a home in the end but to my mind it was clear that the social worker was at fault for not recognising his care needs could not be met in the community. The social worker was there by the way because he set fire to.the microwave and they were assessing him despite us warning that something like this was likely.

Mike Oxsaw 11:22 Wed Nov 25
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:36 Wed Nov 25

I agree,

The smug untouchability (???) of the NHS (administration) creates far more problems than the private sector creaming profits.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:36 Wed Nov 25
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Exiled In Surrey 9:51 Wed Nov 25


'the private sector making profit from care services (and therefore people not getting the best possible care for the money spent) is obscene.

Profits skew behaviour.'


This is true.

However, experience tells us a vast, bloated bureaucracy running care services without the incentive not to go bust also does not get the best possible care for the money provided

The answer, as usual, lies somewhere in between.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:30 Wed Nov 25
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Bertie,

I don't understand. Who is going to be able to make cups of coffee on the English high street whilst situated overseas?

Nurse Ratched 9:57 Wed Nov 25
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I think humans would look nice with cone shaped heads. It would rid them of that apey look. Cones are aesthetically pleasing. It's a shame the cone does not appear more often in nature.

Darlo Debs 9:57 Wed Nov 25
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Hammer i am.goose stepping around my front room.to.the tune if To Be or Not To Be by Mel Brroks this evening, justbtaking a quick.break.

Darlo Debs 9:55 Wed Nov 25
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100% agree Exiled. To be honest i am.surprised we don't hear of more things going wring and not even as acts of deliberate abuse or neglect, but just because of the demands put upon care workers, especially out in the community, where its much harder to ensure continuity of care because of high staff turnover.

Mike Oxsaw 9:55 Wed Nov 25
Re: Shamima Begum is a c##t
Why are these immigrants "driving coffee machines" in the UK, when they could be "driving coffee machines" in their nation of birth, driving up their own GDP?

It's not like they all come from 3rd world states, is it?

Hammer and Pickle 9:53 Wed Nov 25
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Not you of course Debs :)

Exiled In Surrey 9:51 Wed Nov 25
Re: Shamima Begum is a c##t
Darlo

the private sector making profit from care services (and therefore people not getting the best possible care for the money spent) is obscene.

Profits skew behaviour.

Hammer and Pickle 9:50 Wed Nov 25
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So just admit it - you really want to harm British business and everyone concerned.

Bet you've lost control of the old Nazi salute reflex as well.

Darlo Debs 9:47 Wed Nov 25
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Thing is H&P a lot of the jobs
, even when in the private sector are jobs where those services shouldn't be looking to compete, just to.provide the best service possible, the obvious example being adult social.care, care homes etc. We have seen the terrible consequences of what can occurr when you have poorly trained and poorly paid staff who.are recruired out of desperation to get staff and cut corners on more than one episode of Panorama

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 9:45 Wed Nov 25
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They aren't adding ANY value to Starbucks just by virtue of being British. Nobody said they did. However, since I am not a shareholder of Starbucks, I don't have to give fuck about that.

Will you answer one of my 5,000 unanswered questions now?

Hammer and Pickle 9:39 Wed Nov 25
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Answer the question or admit you are simply bent on making the UK uncompetitive by political means, conehead.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 9:35 Wed Nov 25
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Pickled. I do realise that translating applications for these sorts of jobs was your main sources of income. You should really declare your interest before you post.

Hammer and Pickle 9:28 Wed Nov 25
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OK.

What value is a person adding to "driving " a coffee machine by simply being British and how much extra should they be paid for it?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 9:25 Wed Nov 25
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You can turn the tap immediately on the likes of Starbucks until they are willing to pay a wage that will attract a British person to drive a coffee machine. If the middle classes have to pay an extra 50 for a cup of coffee, I expect society will survive.

Same with pubs, really, though I admit this with a shudder and at some personal cost.

Not all immigrants come over to do vital jobs that Brits won't.

Darlo Debs 9:24 Wed Nov 25
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It would help if in some sectors the staff were treated better also. If you don't want people looking down.their noses at certain jobs then one way to.improve the sratus in those jobs is improving the pay and conditions.

I have seen some on here say well you should just train for a better paid job then, and yes you can do that, but there only so.many well paid jobs, and it wouldn't or doesn't solve the massive shortfall problem in sectors that are struggljng to recruit.

Fifth Column 8:54 Wed Nov 25
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Mike 6:41

I agree with all of that - I just think it's not something that can change overnight. Long term that has to be the goal (citizens doing those jobs). Short term you can't just turn off the tap or the private sector and the public sector are both ####ed.

Mike Oxsaw 8:41 Wed Nov 25
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:43 Wed Nov 25

Taken.

If they stopped acting like a bunch of self-entitled twats, however, they may just get the respect they deserve (for bringing on the next generations)

Those that can, do...

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 7:43 Wed Nov 25
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Mike Oxsaw 6:41 Wed Nov 25

'Plus society, in general, should stop looking down their collective noses at such roles.'

When it comes down to vocational nose looking-down, I would have thought that those in the educational sector were less sinned-against than sinning.

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