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riosleftsock 3:50 Fri Oct 15
Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Southend West Tory MP has been stabbed repeatedly while holding a constituency surgery in a methodist church.

'Sir David Amess has died at scene of stabbing - Essex Police
Conservative MP Sir David Amess has died in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex Police have confirmed.
A 25-year-old was arrested on suspicion of murder and a knife was recovered from the scene at Belfairs Methodist Church.
In a statement, Essex Police added: "We were called to an address in Eastwood Road North shortly after 12.05pm today.
"We attended and found a man injured.
"He was treated by emergency services but, sadly, died at the scene.
"A 25 year-old man was quickly arrested after officers arrived at the scene on suspicion of murder and a knife was recovered.
"He is currently in custody.
"We are not looking for anyone else in connection with this incident."'

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Mike Oxsaw 10:14 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Technically, it's a very simple process to have somebody register with a valid and verifiable identity.

It's even easier to then have the system to suppress the details by default (with the person responsible for running that system held accountable should those details subsequently become public knowledge). Donating sites already offer a similar option for anonymous donors.

People can the assume an on-line "identity" and post as freely as they like - there now being the risk that if they say the wrong thing to the wrong person, they can be identified.

This site has a pretty good process for stamping on shit about others being posted, yet we are freely "liberal" on out colourful use of language. That also makes us a prime target for those who want to "clean up" the Internet, but that is a separate discussion.

Basically, act like a cunt if you wish, but don't try and play the victim if, as a result of that cuntishness, you get held to account for it.

Sven Roeder 9:47 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Governments can be criticised
Perfectly acceptable to say Boris Johnson is a lying gibbering incompetent cock.

Think what they are getting at is when politicians receive death threats to them, their staff or families. Or racist or sexist abuse. Things that are illegal
Nothing wrong with people posting under pseudonyms but their true identity should be discoverable if they are acting illegally
Have said before that registering on the big social media sites should be like opening a bank account in proving your identity.

Mike Oxsaw 9:02 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
"People gave away control and true anonymity the second they picked up smartphones and signed up to social media."

Good luck with that. These are "sensible" people you're referring to here. "Educated" people, "Intelligent" people. "Right thinking" people.

All (ALL) they were doing was simply hoovering up all this free (FREE!!!) stuff they were offered.

There's more chance of seeing Amy Winehouse live on next week's Top of the Pops than there is of people accepting that they are the problem here.

mashed in maryland 2:19 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)

"Who is ‘they’?"

The individual politicians and journalists who always push for this sort of thing, and whoever else backs them.

A year and a half ago I'd have agreed with the rest of your post.

I don't see this not passing.

Hermit Road 2:12 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)


mashed in maryland 1:16 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)

stewie griffin 1:10 Wed Oct 20

Governments, unfortunately, need to be able to be criticised anonymously.

Google the hundred flowers campaign.

And again... the fact they're using this murder to push for this shows how dishonest they're being.”


Who is ‘they’? At the moment, there is no sign that the government are pushing for this. They are being asked by MPs to bring a Act before Parliament but MPs and the government are not one and the same even if they sit on the same side of the House.

riosleftsock 1:43 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Not sure 'popular' laws are what is needed, probably better that laws are; required, fair, just but most importantly applied equally without prejudice.

We don't need any new laws.

stewie griffin 1:43 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
BLOCK has been very critical of the government on his TWITTER feed. He hasn't been arrested.

mashed in maryland 1:40 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Can we just drop this lie that any of this is about stopping the plebs from saying rude words to each other?

No one should have to "think twice" about criticising the government.

stewie griffin 1:34 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
You're a fat cunt

I'd be perfectly happy to say that to you. and have done. Might again some day

JustAFatKevinDavies 1:33 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
'Would they say what they're prepared to say under an pseudonym'

yeh good point STEWIE GRIFFIN

stewie griffin 1:31 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
"No but if you do this and/or make a valid criticism, your name can be put on a list and they can keep an eye on you. "

they can do the same right now. People gave away control and true anonymity the second they picked up smartphones and signed up to social media.
The act of getting rid of online anonymity would, hopefully, just make people think twice. Would they say what they're prepared to say under an pseudonym, under their own name? If not, probably shouldn't be saying it. No different on here, i wouldn't post anything that i wouldn't say to the person i'm addressing it to. Others would. They're easy to spot as cowards.

mashed in maryland 1:28 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)

stewie griffin 1:16 Wed Oct 20

"I very much doubt you'll got prosecuted for saying 'Boris Johnson is a fat cunt' under your name"

No but if you do this and/or make a valid criticism, your name can be put on a list and they can keep an eye on you. What if someone then decides that being on this list is a threat somehow and it bars you from certain types of employment, freedom to travel, or more?

Im just gonna say it, this is another step towards a social credit score system. Dunno how much more obvious it needs to be.

Sometimes all we know about despotic regimes or corrupt institutions comes from anonymous accounts on the internet. If a government is trying to shut that avenue down, then its for their benefit, not yours.

, 1:27 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Unpopular law

, 1:26 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Give us an example of an unpopular that this government has enacted, you know one that more than half the population are against?

mashed in maryland 1:20 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)

Hermit Road 1:11 Wed Oct 20

Exactly.

During the period with the gov enacting some of the most controversial and unpopular laws and policies in living memory, in an era with unlimited access to information where it seems there's a new scandal every week... suddenly the government want to end online anonymity and they want to do it for OUR OWN GOOD.

Fucking hell I'm actually astonished anyone swallows that.

stewie griffin 1:16 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
therein lies the problem with where the internet - and society has got to, Hermit.

Why does that criticism need to be anonymous? I very much doubt you'll got prosecuted for saying 'Boris Johnson is a fat cunt' under your name. You might for saying you'd like to kill him.
And rightfully so.

mashed in maryland 1:16 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)

stewie griffin 1:10 Wed Oct 20

Governments, unfortunately, need to be able to be criticised anonymously.

Google the hundred flowers campaign.

And again... the fact they're using this murder to push for this shows how dishonest they're being.

Side of Ham 1:14 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
mashed, the 'establishment' is the the preference over the left or right leaning view which is sad........the 'establishment' needs to be questioned & challenged but sadly not by those mugs, they are most the time nullifying each other and so backwardly biased.......

Davenport 1:14 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Francios can fucking do one. Weird little tory cunt.

Hermit Road 1:11 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
People should always be allowed to criticise their government and they should be able to do it anonymously. The reasons for this are obvious as it enables people to say what they want without fear of prosecution. Banning people from doing this under the guise of stopping 'racism' is an excellent example of why it makes a bad law. Who gets to define what 'racism' is? We used to be clear on it by now it covers any criticism of any non-white figure or even criticism of what they say/believe.

stewie griffin 1:10 Wed Oct 20
Re: Sir David Amess - RIP (Southend City)
Mark Francois MP: 'We now want David's law so that it will be illegal in future for people to go online under a cloak of anonymity and call people everything under the sun.'


a quote from your original post.
That isn't censorship. Its simply saying that if you have something to say, have the courage to say it under your own name.
The reality may well be as you suggest, and if so, I'll happily admit i was wrong - but i find it very hard to find any issue at all with the premise of that statement.

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