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Q: 2021/22 What competition should we prioritise this season?
a. The league is our bread & butter, so this year let's have a club sandwich
b. We're owed an FA Cup after Gerrard nicked our last one in 06, our name's on it in 22
c. A bye to the League Cup 3rd round gives us a good start, let's make it count
d. The Europa is our best ticket to the Champions League, this is the one
e. What's wrong with you, let's do the lot, has the quadruple ever been done

Alan 11:59 Mon Nov 8
Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)

Manchester City could ask Barcelona to let them have Dutch midfielder Frenkie de Jong, 24, if the Spanish club want to sign England winger Raheem Sterling, 26. (El Nacional)

Fiorentina striker Dusan Vlahovic is likely to turn down a move to Arsenal in January because the 21-year-old Serbia international is waiting for other offers. (Football Italia)

Former Chelsea manager Frank Lampard has opened talks with Norwich City about becoming the Carrow Road club's new manager. (Football Insider)

It is 'almost impossible' former Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane would take over as manager of Manchester United if the Old Trafford side dismiss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. (AS - in Spanish)

Leicester boss Brendan Rodgers is, however, willing to replace Solskjaer at United, although the 48-year-old would prefer to wait until the end of the season. (Caught Offside)

Portugal playmaker Bruno Fernandes, 27, is one of the senior Manchester United players who feel they are not getting enough direction from Solskjaer and his coaching staff, while international team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo, 36, has been alarmed by the drop in standards at Old Trafford since he left to join Real Madrid in 2009. (Mail)

Aston Villa's list of possible replacements for the sacked Dean Smith include Rangers boss Steven Gerrard, Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl and Denmark head coach Kasper Hjulmand. (Telegraph - subscription required)

Belgium boss Roberto Martinez is also in the running to take over at Villa. (Times - subscription required)

Wolves boss Bruno Lage says Adama Traore's contract situation at the club would not stop him picking the Spain winger for the Molineux side. The 25-year-old has 18 months left on his current deal. (Mail)

Wolves are the club who are most interested in Lille and Portugal midfielder Renato Sanches and they could make a move for the 24-year-old in January. (Fichajes.net)

Spain defender Sergio Ramos is not planning to leave Paris St-Germain, according to the 35-year-old's brother and agent Rene. The centre-back joined the French club on a free transfer in the summer after leaving Real Madrid but has yet to play for them because of an injury. (El Mundo, via Goal)

Inter Milan midfielder Marcelo Brozovic's deal runs out next summer and, speaking about contract renewals, the Series A side's director, Beppe Marotta, says "players care about Inter and want to continue here". (DAZN, via Football Italia)

Crystal Palace are hoping to beat Napoli to the signing of 25-year-old Fulham and Cameroon midfielder Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa, who has starred on loan for the Italian side this season. (Sun)

Barcelona will make a move for highly-rated RB Salzburg forward Karim Adeyemi in January. The 19-year-old, who has three Germany caps, has also attracted interest from Paris St-Germain, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund and RB Leipzig. (El Nacional - in Catalan)

Real Madrid are set to put six players up for sale to lower the club's wage bill - Wales winger Gareth Bale, 32, 30-year-old Belgium attacker Eden Hazard, 33-year-old Brazilian Marcelo, Spain playmaker Isco, 29, Serbia striker Luka Jovic, 23, and 24-year-old Spanish defender Jesus Vallejo. (AS - in Spanish)

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Rangers boss Steven Gerrard is said to be prominent on the list of targets for Aston Villa's new boss.
Frank Lampard has emerged as the favourite to become Daniel Farke's replacement at Norwich City after the German manager was sacked by the Canaries on Saturday.

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Aston Villa are considering Steven Gerrard and Ralph Hasenhuttl to take over as their new manager, after sacking Dean Smith.
Norwich's sporting director Stuart Webber will spearhead the search for Daniel Farke's replacement, after agreeing to commit his own future to the Premier League club.
Yorkshire are considering releasing the bombshell Azeem Rafiq racism report by Wednesday, with two more former England internationals now fearing they have been named in it.
England captain Owen Farrell rejoined the squad at Pennyhill Park on Sunday after his PCR test result for Covid-19 was determined to be a false positive.
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Georgina Rodriguez took the family on an outing to watch Cristiano Ronaldo Jr in action for Manchester United's academy.
Ex-Tottenham goalkeeper Michel Vorm has slammed his former employers, insisting Antonio Conte's new side don't have an "old school leader".
Derby County's appeal against a 12-point deduction is unlikely to be successful but a further punishment is expected to be more lenient than first thought.

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Steven Gerrard and Roberto Martinez top Aston Villa's wishlist to replace axed Dean Smith.
Newcastle have opened talks to try and snap up England international Kieran Trippier, it's claimed.
Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford has been named Person of the Year for getting poorer children reading.
Football clubs in England have racked up tax debts of £140m-plus in the pandemic.
Liverpool have identified former Newcastle midfielder Mikel Merino as an alternative transfer to Jude Bellingham, reports say.

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Motherwell goal hero Kevin van Veen has accused Aberdeen skipper Scott Brown of trying to get him sent off.


West Ham display the virtues of manager Moyes to shock Liverpool

West Ham are well organised, resilient and incisive, and even the London Stadium now feels like a football ground

Jonathan Wilson at the London Stadium

West Ham players and fans celebrate after Pablo Fornals beat Alisson to score the club’s second goal in the 3-2 win over Liverpool. Photograph: Tom Jenkins/The Guardian

As Pablo Fornals ran on to Jarrod Bowen’s through-ball midway through the second half, the London Stadium fell into one of those pregnant silences that were probably the greatest loss of the time without fans. Over the course of what can only have been two or three seconds but felt far longer, you could almost hear the thought processes. First, was he going to get his shot in? Yes. Then, was he set to measure his finish? He was. Then, was his shot going to beat Alisson? It did, just about, carrying on into the net despite a hefty touch by the keeper.

Is the London Stadium still disliked by West Ham fans? Perhaps it is. It is not, and never will be Upton Park, and there remains something deeply odd about having to edge past the Sunday afternoon shoppers in Westfield to get to a Premier League game. But in that moment, as anticipation became realisation became delight, the London Stadium felt like a football ground.

And not just a football ground, but one that still cannot quite believe just how well everything is going.

But there was nothing fluky or freakish about a victory that took West Ham into third, above Liverpool in the table. Liverpool may have bossed possession, but West Ham were well organised and had a clear plan they executed superbly. David Moyes, after his disappointing stints at Manchester United, Sunderland and Real Sociedad, is thoroughly reinvigorated. That is a rare quality. Very few managers, once the slide has apparently begun, particularly after two decades in the job, have the clarity of thought to assess what they are doing, to look at best practice around Europe, and come back stronger and refreshed.

Yet at the same time, this West Ham is a side of discernibly Moyesian virtues. They are resilient. They are quite capable of sitting deep and absorbing pressure. They are well organised. In an ideal world they wouldn’t let in two but then every side Liverpool had previously played away from home in the Premier League or Champions League this season had let in at least three. That said, if we’re being critical, there was perhaps evidence here of the trait that more than anything else undermined his time at Sunderland, the habit of dropping deeper and deeper in the final minutes looking to hold what they have; Sadio Mané very nearly nicked an equaliser with a low header in stoppage time.

Most significantly, there is the capacity to make the most of what they have. There remains a sense in some quarters that set plays are somehow beneath the very best sides, an adjunct to the real business of holding possession and getting the positioning right. And yet as Gareth Southgate identified before the 2018 World Cup, getting the set plays right is a relatively low-cost way of adding value.

Alisson’s weakness dealing with inswinging corners was identified and ruthlessly exploited. Fornals’s third-minute corner flicked the left thumb of the goalkeeper on its way in.

Liverpool appealed desperately for a foul, but the contact with Angelo Ogbonna was initiated by the goalkeeper, who may be the same height as the Italian but shrank alongside him.

And then, with 15 minutes remaining, it was an inswinger from Bowen that caught Alisson flat-footed as the ball dipped over him to be headed in at the back post by Kurt Zouma. That’s six goals West Ham have now scored from set plays in their last six games; there is more than one way to win a football match.

The other goal was the result of West Ham’s other strength: the surging counter-attack. Again, the targeted nature of the breaks was clear.

It’s not just a case of whacking it up to Michail Antonio and seeing what happens, tireless though his running is. It’s obvious to anybody that the forward sallies of Liverpool’s full-backs, especially Trent Alexander-Arnold, leave space that can be exploited. Alexander-Arnold, again, was superb, scoring from a free-kick and setting up not only Divock Origi’s goal but also two or three other very good chances – including that late Mané miss. But he was also twice caught out by balls in behind him: towards the end of the first half when Antonio got the ball caught under his feet, and then 10 minutes into the second half, when Saïd Benrahma’s charge was ended only by a tug on his arm that earned the full-back a yellow card.

West Ham have already guaranteed top spot in their Europa League group and they eliminated Manchester City to reach the last eight of the League Cup.

Only Brentford and Manchester United, with varying degrees of fortune, have beaten them this season. Their consistency across the three competitions has been extraordinary. How far could they go? The most exciting thing for West Ham is nobody quite knows.


Liverpool are BEATEN 3-2 by high-flying West Ham as Kurt Zouma's winner sends David Moyes' side above Jurgen Klopp's into third place ahead of the international break

West Ham took the lead in the fourth minute when Alisson inadvertently diverted the ball into his own net
Trent Alexander-Arnold levelled the scores with a brilliant free-kick shortly before half-time
Pablo Fornals and Kurt Zouma found the net in the second half as the Hammers regained control
Divock Origi pulled one back for Liverpool in the closing stages but it proved to be merely a consolation
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By Martin Samuel

It was April 6 the last time Liverpool lost a game. Any game. In any competition. And that was to Real Madrid, away.

So this result will go down as a bit of a shock in the circumstances. West Ham last won a league game against Liverpool on January 2, 2016, in their final season at Upton Park. Since then, and before this game, they have played them in the league ten times, drawn two, lost eight and conceded 29 goals in the process. If Jurgen Klopp wanted to channel the spirit of Sir Alex Ferguson he could have started his team talk with the words, ‘Lads, it’s West Ham…’

Yet to those familiar with the improvement here under David Moyes, it wasn’t really a shock at all. This was his 1,001st game as a manager and not since his absolute peak years at Everton has he had a team functioning as well as his current one. And function is the key here, because that is West Ham’s great talent.

Kurt Zouma celebrates after scoring the winning goal against Liverpool in the Premier League on Sunday afternoon

Zouma headed home at the back post as the Hammers too a two-goal lead in the second half at the London Stadium

There were questions about Alisson in goal as Zouma beat the Brazilian goalkeeper to the ball following a free-kick

They can play, definitely; but they do the ugly stuff well, too. Set-pieces, those strength-sapping midfield dogging runs, backs to the wall defence. This is a team unafraid of the hardest work.

That was why they won. That was why they stopped Liverpool setting a new club record for unbeaten games in all competitions established under Bob Paisley in 1982. Jurgen Klopp’s team were halted at 25, as Paisley’s were by Bobby Robson’s Ipswich – another team from outside the elite, punching above its weight.

This win was all the more significant because it takes West Ham to third place, leapfrogging Liverpool, who drop to fourth. And it was deserved. If Liverpool had the best of the first-half after an early set-back, West Ham were good for their three points in the second, when they established a two-goal advantage before Liverpool pulled one back for a tense finish.

Sadio Mane missed a free header in injury time that should have levelled, but Liverpool could have no complaints. The better team won, on the day, and Liverpool made significant errors, too.

Alisson, their goalkeeper, was weak for all three West Ham goals and the first was probably his own goal to boot. Yet if that makes West Ham sound fortunate, they were not. The goals that won this game after half-time were prime examples of what this team does best.

Their second, after 67 minutes, was started by man of the match Pablo Fornals – the sponsors gave their award to Michail Antonio, which was at least a good advert for the hospitality at the London Stadium – who flicked the ball to Jarrod Bowen. His run could explain why there were reports linking him to Liverpool earlier in the season. It was precisely the sort of energetic drive that Klopp would admire.

Fornals is congratulated by his team-mates after putting his side back in front after half-time in London on Sunday

Bowen had three players in pursuit, notably Fabinho, but held them all off before slipping the ball to Fornals. He was one on one with Alisson and the goalkeeper might have done better with his shot. It ricocheted beneath his body and into the net. But West Ham were flying.

Just five minutes later they went further ahead. A Bowen corner this time, swinging in and deep, and misjudged by Alisson who got his positioning all wrong and allowed it to sail over his head and find Kurt Zouma at the far post, heading his first goal for the club.

Liverpool got one back after 83 minutes through substitute Divock Origi, but there is a resilience about this West Ham team, and they held on. Would it have happened in recent seasons here? Probably not. West Ham were famously frail, flaky under pressure, and that fear spread throughout the arena.

The West Ham fans were in a jubilant mood as their side continued their brilliant start to the season with a huge victory

It is not just the team that has changed. This is a buoyant club right now. Daniel Kretinsky, the Czech billionaire looking to buy a stake – and perhaps the whole thing later down the line – would surely have liked what he saw from his guest seat in the directors’ box. This could be a seismic day for West Ham in more ways than one.

It helps to start well and West Ham certainly did, ahead after four minutes. Angelo Ogbonna certainly packed a lot into his truncated involvement. A part in the West Ham goal followed by two separate injuries which, cumulatively, prevented playing a further part in the game. He was always in the action, and certainly in the wars.

There were just four minutes gone when Ogbonna challenged Liverpool goalkeeper Alisson for a corner, a duel that saw the ball diverted into the goal from Fornals’ inswinger. At first it looked as if Ogbonna had got a touch. Additional inspection suggested the dead ball had gone straight in. Repeated reviews suggested the Brazilian’s flapping palm had diverted the ball into his own net.

Of course, there were immediate complaints from the visitors. Jordan Henderson was first on the scene, as ever, alerting Craig Pawson to a perceived injustice. Alisson, too, was furious. It was almost as if he wanted to convince the official of his infallibility.

How could he have made an error? Pawson would only tell him the VAR would check. And Stuart Attwell did. And he came to the same conclusion as most of us; that Ogbonna jumped legitimately, that Alisson made a mistake, and the goal should stand. Nobody’s perfect.

More moans soon after when Aaron Cresswell appeared to lose his footing and clattered into Henderson on the follow through of a tackle. Another VAR check for a possible red card. Another sensible call from Attwell. Last year, Fabian Balbeuna of West Ham was sent-off in similar circumstances for catching Ben Chilwell while clearing the ball. Strange that if the game truly wants consistency Attwell would have had to make the same foolish decision as Chris Kavanagh that day.

Then, in the 16th minute, a blow for West Ham. Ogbonna turned a knee trying to keep tabs on the tireless Mo Salah in the penalty area. He needed several minutes of treatment and Craig Dawson readied to come on. No, Ogbonna continued. Then he was whacked in the head by a loose arm from Diogo Jota.

More treatment, and this time a little blood. Moyes had seen enough. There was no time to wait for stitches. On came Dawson, off went Ogbonna – the penalty box disruptor. Yet this is a well-drilled West Ham side. Dawson was outstanding, fitting in perfectly beside the equally impressive Zouma. He even hit the bar with a header in the second-half.

Alisson inadvertently put the ball into his own net as West Ham took the lead just four minutes into the match

Liverpool were coming into the game now. Jota headed just over from a Henderson cross after 32 minutes and from the next attack Alexander-Arnold volleyed over – although Klopp wanted a penalty for Said Benrahma’s attempted block, which caught him. Nothing doing, said Pawson, rightly. Yet when Declan Rice was judged to have fouled Mo Salah inside the D, Liverpool’s moment arrived.

Alexander-Arnold rolled the ball to Salah, who stopped it, earning the least deserved assist credit of the season, before the defender struck a curling shot that eluded the wall as if it were a speedbump and left Lukasz Fabianski rooted to the spot. A brilliant goal. If only Gareth Southgate did not have to pick between him, Reece James and Kyle Walker.

In the past, Liverpool would have pushed on from there. When they did not, when they went flat in the second-half, it was West Ham who took advantage. By the end, the mood in the arena was joyous. To some, it will have felt as headily unfamiliar as the league position.


West Ham (4-2-3-1): Fabianski; Johnson, Zouma, Ogbonna, Cresswell; Soucek, Rice; Bowen, Fornals, Benrahma; Antonio.

Substitutes: Areola, Dawson, Coufal, Diop, Masuaku, Fredericks, Kral, Noble, Lanzini.

Goals: Alisson 4' (OG), Fornals 67', Zouma 74'

Liverpool (4-3-3): Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Matip, van Dijk, Robertson; Henderson, Fabinho, Oxlade-Chamberlain; Salah, Jota, Mane.

Substitutes: Kelleher, Konate, Thiago, Minamino, Tsimikas, Origi, Phillips, N Williams, Morton.

Goals: Alexander-Arnold 41', Origi 83'

Referee: Craig Pawson.


West Ham win five-goal thriller to end Liverpool's unbeaten run and underline top-four credentials

By Jeremy Wilson, at the London Stadium

There will be no “Invincibles” this season, but perhaps an unexpected new name in the Premier League title race. Watched by the Czech billionaire Daniel Kretinsky, who is close to buying a 27 per cent stake in the club, West Ham United did not just end Liverpool’s 25-game unbeaten run but leap-frogged the 2020 champions into the top three with the sort of thrilling victory that felt significant far beyond just the 3-2 scoreline.

Kurt Zouma, who scored what proved to be the match-winning goal, declared after the match that West Ham was like one big “family” and, during five years now in Stratford, rarely has a win been more ecstatically celebrated.

It was a game which also represented something of a marker in the development of David Moyes’s team. They were only two points and two places off Champions League qualification last season but that was largely a result of their relentless consistency against those clubs around and below them.

This was a victory against one of the best teams in the world and, while Liverpool might have been aggrieved by certain refereeing key decisions, it was noticeable that Jurgen Klopp offered little complaint about the wider outcome.

West Ham had been resolute in defence, magnificent with their relentless midfield pressing and, headed by Michail Antonio, often deadly with their rapid counter-attacks.

They were also excellent in their set-piece organisation, from which they not only scored twice, but also held firm against the predictable onslaught of a Liverpool team who have scored 31 goals in only 11 league games this season.

“We are still growing the seeds a little bit - but I think we are there [top three] on merit,” said Moyes. “I wanted to challenge whoever the teams will be in the top four. I hope one will be us. At the moment it’s been others. I'm hugely proud of the players. These players were close to relegation. Now we're pushing for Europe."

By Europe, Moyes meant the Champions League and it was further to his and the players' credit that this performance should have followed Thursday’s night 2-2 draw against Genk in Belgium.

Liverpool were themselves arriving fresh from an impressive 2-0 midweek win over Atletico Madrid and, despite limited rotation this season by both managers, there was little sense of lingering fatigue on either side.

The match started at a frenetic pace and, having absorbed an immediate Liverpool attack, West Ham quickly broke forward to force a corner. The ball was swung in dangerously by Pablo Fornals towards Angelo Ogbonna who, with his eyes only on the possibility of a header, backed into Liverpool goalkeeper Alisson as he jumped.

Alisson’s challenge was hardly authoritative but, with Ogbonna using his arms to gain height, had some case to say that he had been impeded as the ball flicked off his hand and into the goal.

Premier League referees, though, have been instructed this season to ignore the most innocuous contact and, with that diktat clearly in mind, referee Craig Pawson signalled for a goal. A Var check did follow for a possible handball but, with replays confirming that the final contact had belonged to Alisson, the goal stood.

Alisson flaps at an early corner - and punches it into his own net! Credit: Reuters

West Ham then soon got the benefit of another contentious Var call when Aaron Cresswell lunged into a challenge with Jordan Henderson with his studs showing. He connected first with the ball before following through into the Liverpool’s captain’s knee, but Pawson again showed leniency and decided that there had been no infringement.

Liverpool did then settle into a rhythm that saw them take command of possession and begin to create chances. Diogo Jota had headed Andrew Robertson’s cross just narrowly over when, with Declan Rice adjudged to have tripped Mohamed Salah, they won a freekick around 25 yards from goal.

The ball was quite centrally positioned but Trent Alexander-Arnold simply rolled the ball to Salah who, with perhaps the easiest assist of his career, simply cushioned it for his team-mate to then curl a delightful finish up over the edge of West Ham’s wall. Goalkeeper Lukasz Fabianski had clearly thought that the shot was going to swing across him and, having just moved to his right, was helpless to prevent the ball sailing into the top corner.

Liverpool deserved their equaliser but West Ham, who were beginning to get trapped inside their own half, reacted impressively. They had been pressing superbly but, in then also launching rapid counter-attacks, became far more dangerous than the possession statistics would suggest. With Sadio Mane losing the ball, West Ham surged forward and Jarrod Bowen brilliantly drew a swarm of Liverpool players before releasing Fornals to finish beneath Allison.

Antonio was frequently also forcing Liverpool back with his sudden bursts of pace and, having forced a corner, West Ham’s quality from set-pieces was again evident. The ball was swung towards the far post by Bowen and, having evaded the entire Liverpool defence, Kurt Zouma arrived to head past Alisson. Moyes repeatedly punched the air in delight but, with 16 minutes still to play, knew that nothing was settled. Klopp replaced the ineffectual Jota with Divock Origi and, having turned sharply inside West Ham’s penalty area, he sent his first shot across Fabianski and into the corner of the goal.

It set up a tense finale. The best chance fell to Mane but, with Alexander-Arnold’s free-kick lacking pace, he was unable to generate sufficient power or direction with his header from the edge of the six-yard box.

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Mex Martillo 8:14 Tue Nov 9
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
With Kind Regards 11:20 Mon Nov 8
and Thanks Epsom

With Kind Regards 11:20 Mon Nov 8
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
Thanks Alan.

epsom 5:06 Mon Nov 8
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
Article by Thom Gibbs in the Telegraph titled Chelsea might be top of the table but West Ham are winning the season so far...

There is a rather prosaic thing called the league table which will tell you Chelsea are the country’s best team. Yes, alright they have won more games than anyone else, Mateo Kovacic has entered his imperial phase and Marcus Alonso has dreamy hair like Morten Harket from a-ha.

But the real story of this season is coming from the former Olympic Park. West Ham are above Liverpool after beating them on Saturday, sit equal on points with Manchester City, have sexy set pieces and now four league wins in a row. They have won the season so far.

They may not stay the course and do not hit the heights of Chelsea, City or Liverpool at their best. But football quickly becomes dreary if all we focus on is objective superiority. We must consider the intangibles, emotion, the vibe. No team has exceeded expectations more than West Ham, who were universally expected to return to the middle of the league after last year’s nose-bloodying in empty stadiums.

Fortune, thought in hiding in east London, is everywhere you look, realised potential coursing through their team. It is in Lukasz Fabianski’s late blossoming, the talented Kurt Zouma finally the hero he deserves to be rather than a Chelsea afterthought, the perfect pairing of Aaron Cresswell and Pablo Fornals on the left, Declan Rice’s understated heroics in midfield, Michail Antonio’s glow-up from novelty celebrator to lethal top-level striker, the hit-rate of second tier stars like Jarrod Bowen and Said Benrahma making the step up and the required West Ham youth component from Ben Johnson. Theirs is a team to fall in love with.

Their calling cards were all over their 3-2 win against Liverpool, and so much nicer than the ICF's old souvenirs. It is not a massively complicated formula, a well-kept shape, counter-attacking and well-executed set plays. Yet there is something satisfying about seeing their brand of football thrive, a break from the impeccable pressing and possession approach that has become the unchallenged orthodoxy at the top level.

Liverpool seemed shaken. Alisson was suddenly uncertain, Virgil Van Dijk wore an unusually panicked expression and Mohammed Salah was reduced to trying to Phoenix From The Flames his own goals against Man City and Watford.t

There was no joy for him but plenty for West Ham and a large part comes from the redemption of David Moyes. His 1,000-plus-game experience has elevated a hardworking team and the status of the club. He seems to understand he is at his best at a place that needs building rather than one with entitled expectations about winning every weekend.

Arguably the most miraculous transformation is the atmosphere of the London Stadium, which has gone from white elephant to fortress. For all the running track woe, there is a critical mass effect of 50,000-plus fans in any venue. West Ham would be roared on effectively at the moment even if they added a second running track, another for the dogs and a couple of diving pools. With a loaded bloke from Brno waiting in the wings (or the executive boxes) to sweep the club off their feet, these are truly the good times.

It is natural to draw conclusions at this stage of the season as we head into the third and most irritating of the autumn international breaks. The early dust has settled - Brentford might not be as good as we thought, Arsenal not as bad, Cristiano Ronaldo is not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy. But there can also be an illusory quality to the surprise packages which may give West Ham fans pause.

Last season ahead of this international break the top two were Leicester and Tottenham, they finished fifth and seventh. A year earlier Leicester again were second, falling to fifth again. Don’t be Leicester, basically.

On the other side of the break West Ham travel to an improving Wolves, host Man City, dangerous Brighton then Chelsea. That may be a reality check. For their supporters and a growing fanclub of neutrals the hope is this team continues their joyous over-achievement.

Texas Iron 3:39 Mon Nov 8
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
Fantastic Win...
Klopp in denial...blames Ref & VAR...

angryprumphs 1:09 Mon Nov 8
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
Thank Alan

Still feels very odd reading these reports........

bill green 12:45 Mon Nov 8
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ted fenton 12:34 Mon Nov 8

ted fenton 12:34 Mon Nov 8
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
Thanks Alan 12:14 Mon Nov 8

Thanks Alan 12:14 Mon Nov 8
Re: Monday newspapers ( includes West Ham)
Thanks Alan

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