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Nutsin 7:52 Sat Jan 15
Is Putin about to make a big mistake?

Lots of talk here that he is about to invade Ukraine.

NATO and the US won’t get involved but heavy sanctions have been threatened and Putin has threatened ending all diplomatic ties with the west.

Latest is that Putin will stage an attack making it look like Ukraine starts the conflict.

What’s being reported over there?

Is it about to kick off?

thecockneyboy 4:04 Thu Mar 30
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Only one massive hypocrite on here joyo and its you, always talking absoloute shit, condemning human and sex trafficking? yet brasses their way across East Asia, bet your still wearing a mask while typing that 🤡

joyo 2:35 Thu Mar 30
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/27/russian-soldiers-commanders-used-barrier-troops-stop-retreating
cockboy is this more of the media lies we are being fed?If anyone on here is deluded it's you!
cockboy is probably the beat example on here of an anti West pro Putin crackpot

Mike Oxsaw 9:53 Thu Mar 30
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Has Tuesday been rearranged this week?

What was it, alcoholic mixture congestion?

Hammer and Pickle 9:45 Thu Mar 30
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Na.

Everything indicates you’re from the Arse.

thecockneyboy 9:42 Thu Mar 30
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Pickle you're insane or incredibly stupid, or both! You think I've been a "sleeper cell" on this site for over 20 years just to promote Russia? Fuck me the circus has well and truly lost its chief fucking clown 😂🤡

Hammer and Pickle 9:37 Thu Mar 30
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Nothing wrong with criticising the authorities for failing to provide the likes of Twundle with the proper standard of institutional care of course.

Lee Trundle 9:22 Thu Mar 30
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But difficult that, seeing as most of them are locked up in padded cells, Coffee.

Coffee 9:11 Thu Mar 30
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Pickles of the world, unite.

Hammer and Pickle 9:09 Thu Mar 30
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No denying you’re a Kremlin troll using a football club chat forum to discredit the state and your own country’s institutions by presenting them as authoritarian, corrupt and evil. This form of disinformation relies on a simple trick: making our authorities seem symmetrical to that of the regime you support. A few sad, frustrated fools will buy it, which is why you come on here.

thecockneyboy 7:37 Thu Mar 30
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Capital Man you've obviously not seen the videos of men being taken off the streets and bundled into cars, they've even taken them when they've been out with their families, they're way past conscription, as for me being a Putin supporter, does that make all you Ukrainian fan boys Nazi sympathisers then?? Or are you going to deny the Bandera, Galatian and Azov history like the rest of the deluded fools on here?

Jaan Kenbrovin 2:44 Thu Mar 30
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'Ukraine hasn’t even started conscription yet'

It is in a state of constant consription. Zelensky banned men from leaving Ukraine long ago. Then lowered the age of conscription to 16, and regularly take people from the streets by force.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-into-war-ukraine-faces-challenges-mobilizing-troops-64dcdc49

Capitol Man 2:28 Thu Mar 30
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thecockneyboy 12:35 Thu Mar 30
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You seem like an especially pathetic Putin supporter cockboy.

Ukraine hasn’t even started conscription yet and you want to pretend a country of 40 million people is running out of men.

Real difference here is that the people of Ukraine can see what is going on, and the threat Russia poses, whereas Putin has to lie to Russians, with the help of worms like yourself of course.

Red army is about to fall apart - may not be tomorrow, but it’s coming. Putin will run out of other people’s children to murder to prop up his ego.

Jaan Kenbrovin 12:40 Thu Mar 30
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Estonia using EU's EPF to modernize its military.

"They are sending their scraps to Ukraine and buying brand new material for themselves, financed with EU money," one EU diplomat said of Estonia.

https://news.err.ee/1608928883/politico-estonia-using-epf-to-modernize-its-military

Another win for brexit.

thecockneyboy 12:35 Thu Mar 30
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Deluded, nobody is doubting the commitment and tenacity of the Ukrainian forces, they've been well trained and equipped by the US, Russia have made some serious errors and their lack of experienced generals and tactician have been seriously exposed, but the loses taken by Ukraine are unreplaceable, the reservists Putin had called up haven't even entered the theatre yet, and the Russians production of weapons and ammunition out strips anything the west can produce.

Vexed 12:10 Thu Mar 30
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Russia have already lost. They have been made to look like dickheads on the world stage. This is a fact regardless of the result of the conflict. Dont see how this shit ends though, Ukrai e undoubtedly are holding their own, that's not 'the media lying to you, waaaah' it is a fact. Russia have got a lot of cannon fodder to throw at the problem and won't run out any time soon. What we really need is a coup that takes out Putin and hopefully puts someone with a slightly bigger dick in his place. All this nuke talk is becoming a bit tedious though innit.

thecockneyboy 11:52 Wed Mar 29
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Fuck me there's some deluded people on here, whether you like it or not, Putin and Russia will not lose, the media are lying to you, just like they did with WMDs in Iraq, or Saddam could hit us with a missle bollocks, Ukraine are running out of men and ammunition.

Capitol Man 6:01 Wed Mar 29
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The route to peace is to get to a situation where it is clear to Putin that he can't win, and will likely lose/be humiliated if he continues. Then, and only then will you get to the concessions that could lead to peace.

As well as actually taking ground, the main aim of the current war of attrition is to convince the West that Putin/Russia will do anything to win and that this will impose too-high a cost on the west.

That is not necessarily true as the price paid by Russia becomes clearer back in Russia itself.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 4:44 Wed Mar 29
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Mike

A reasonable and well-considered answer, mate. I still stand by my original position, because there's nothing short of keeping what he has that Putin will yet agree to, but you and I can agree to differ on that, as sensible people sometimes have to do.

Mike Oxsaw 2:59 Wed Mar 29
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:54 Wed Mar 29

I'm not actually in disagreement here with you; I think Putin should hand back every inch of the Ukraine he has sequestrated - not only that, I feel that he should hand it back in the condition it was before his storm-troopers stamped all over it.

However, that is an ideal outcome in an ideal world - concepts I'm sure we all left behind in the 6th form debating sessions.

That leaves the $64,000 question. How, exactly.

Well, one answer is a deposition of Putin, but, as the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for": the world could end up with a puppet controlled by the oligarchs even more tightly than they control Putin (What? You still think this is all HIS idea?).

Another could be a DMZ set up, centred on the Russia/Ukraine border in the east, but it will probably take decades of negotiations to even decide what colour berets the patrolling soldiers wear, so again, more of a down the generations solution.

Nuke Moscow with a "There's plenty more where that came from if you don't back off" tag? Don't think anybody would even consider that step. Certainly one too far (unless no alternative) for me.

Maybe the Special Military Operation needs to be expanded to include Russian locations? Goose & Gander, that sort of thing.

In short, the west's "Do Fuck All, and do it very, very slowly" strategy is playing into Putin's hands, so he has no incentive to alter his position and keep chipping away at his neighbour.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:54 Wed Mar 29
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Mike Oxsaw 6:17 Wed Mar 29

You keep on with this nonsense about 'no Putin apologists/supporters' and it's entirely disingenuous. I don't wear colours for football matches and nobody would deny I support West ham. Nobody is about to wear a Putin badge and say, 'Go Vlad' because he is quite obviously the baddie in all this - unless you think invading the country next door is OK. There is such a thing as tacit support.

So, given that Putin's stated war aim (passed into Russian law by the Duma) is the annexation of four Ukrainian provinces (plus Crimea) it is a fact that anyone who calls for an immediate end to hostilities without being able to give the slightest hint as to how Russia can be persuaded to return to within its own borders is supporting Putin. They are supporting Putin because that is exactly what he wants.

I have asked this question directly to the loose coalition of ethnic-Russians (or relatives thereof), sixth-form lefties, America-haters, appeasers, self-interested and cynical businessmen on here and all have refused to answer it - 'what solution do you envisage that does not reward Putin for his invasion of and annexation of large parts of a neighbouring country?'

If you want peace at the expense of giving Putin exactly what he wants, fair enough, but at least own it.

Hammer and Pickle 10:31 Wed Mar 29
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So, if seriously considering when this will end, another key factor to take into account is the magic 7:1 offence-to-defence success ratio, at least in areas of engagement along this vast front. The Ukrainian strategists have to weigh it all up, especially given that the Kremlin will not concern itself with its own casualties when on the back foot. It has lost the capacity to win this war but we have to be aware the Ukrainians can still lose this if their own counter-offensive turns out to be toothless.

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