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Nutsin 7:52 Sat Jan 15
Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Lots of talk here that he is about to invade Ukraine.

NATO and the US won’t get involved but heavy sanctions have been threatened and Putin has threatened ending all diplomatic ties with the west.

Latest is that Putin will stage an attack making it look like Ukraine starts the conflict.

What’s being reported over there?

Is it about to kick off?

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riosleftsock 11:31 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:17 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Lee Trundle 10:49 Mon Jul 4

I'f we're to believe the divs on here, and that the Russians aren't vastly outnumbering the Ukrainians'

"There are outnumbering the Ukrainians. It sure ain't 10 to one, though, unless they have turned into India or China."

Russia sent the equivalent of an expeditionary force in of approx 190,000 against a professional standing army in Ukraine of approx 250,000 trained by NATO. The numbers do not represent an advantage for Ukraine though as they had approx 100,000 in Eastern Ukraine only, so you would need to look at how the BTGs were deployed, I think the Ukr army was much better at mobile warfare (classic NATO tactics) but Russia was better at concentrating forces and winning battles where forces are concentrated.

'and are suffering heavy losses,'

"Are you seriously disputing that? They were defeated at Kiev."

The BBC estimates Russian losses (deaths) at something like 5,000, but that will not include DPR, LPR and Chechnyan losses. Ukraine lost 2,000 dead and over 3,000 wounded as well as nearly 200 captured/surrendered in Severo Donetsk and Lysichansk alone, plus the deserted reservists who are estimated to number in the high hundreds to just over 1,000

'and ran out of supplies 6 months ago,'

"I don't think anyone ever suggested they would be able to re-supply, did they? Especially since their supply lines were drastically shortened by their retreat from Kiev."

Actually much of western media has consistently suggested that Russia is running out of ammo, food, replacement weapons and medical supplies for its troops since the beginning of the war. This has been proven to be false, propaganda. Russia is expending ammunition at a rate far in excess of 10 times the ukrainian fire rate. 10-15,000 rounds per day just in Lugansk according to some reports

'have a load of untrained kids fighting for them,'

They did. And still do. They've got a regular army of 1million, though, so they will have plenty of experienced soldiers

Recent recruits are supposed to serve in support roles (catering, logistics etc). Ukraine has been sending reservists and young raw recruits straight into the front line (I have heard this directly from family and friends)

'then they're doing awfully well'

"They aren't though, are they? They thought this would be over three months ago."

No, that is just what we in the west have said, Russia has never provided deadlines or timelines, just what their objectives (quite nebulous) are.


'rolling through Ukraine at the moment, don't ya think?'

They are fighting house to house for every village in the Donbas. They are suffering huge casualties and haven't even taken the part of Ukraine they might, due to the ethnicty of its population, consider the easy bit. It's the absolute antithesis of 'rolling through'.

I hate to tell you this, but you are going to have to watch some footage by pro-Russian content providers as well as listening to western media and have a look on the map. Russia is grinding through the Donbass and de-militarising the Ukraine armed services. Ukraine needs to be allowed to negotiate with Russia NOW, without western interference before they lose even more territory.

Kaiser Zoso 11:26 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
You’ve shot your gob off, and you can’t back it up.

By your own admission.

Come back when you actually know what you’re talking about.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:21 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Lord Haw Haw

Are you going to thump the table with your fist in a minute?

This is what happens when you get your opinion from your ethnic-Russian mail-order bride from the Donbas

Kaiser Zoso 11:17 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Tell you what, shag — come back to me when you do know what the exact figure is? And produce 3 sources

Until the, you need to shut your ill informed ignorant mouth, yeah, because like you had to admit, you don’t actually know what you’re talking about?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:17 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Lee Trundle 10:49 Mon Jul 4

I'f we're to believe the divs on here, and that the Russians aren't vastly outnumbering the Ukrainians'

There are outnumbering the Ukrainians. It sure ain't 10 to one, though, unless they have turned into India or China.

'and are suffering heavy losses,'

Are you seriously disputing that? They were defeated at Kiev.

'and ran out of supplies 6 months ago,'

I don't think anyone ever suggested they would be able to re-supply, did they? Especially since their supply lines were drastically shortened by their retreat from Kiev.

'have a load of untrained kids fighting for them,'

They did. And still do. They've got a regular army of 1million, though, so they will have plenty of experienced soldiers

'then they're doing awfully well'

They aren't though, are they? They thought this would be over three months ago.


'rolling through Ukraine at the moment, don't ya think?'

They are fighting house to house for every village in the Donbas. They are suffering huge casualties and haven't even taken the part of Ukraine they might, due to the ethnicty of its population, consider the easy bit. It's the absolute antithesis of 'rolling through'.

You're better than this, Lee.

Hammer and Pickle 11:12 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Actually, I’m impressed by how much focus there is on training up the Ukrainians to use kit like the M777 or the Polish Krab SPG so that “quite a lot” of it remains effective at the cost of lengthening deployment times.

The kind of static artillery the Kremlin is applying won’t gain it control if does not have the mobility to put troops there on the ground. All it is interested in is damage maximisation.

Scum

Kaiser Zoso 11:09 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
‘Personally, I don't know what the exact figure is,’

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:05 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Lord Haw Haw

'You don’t have an exact figure but you know it isn’t 10 to 1.'

Er. Yes. Precisely. You post that as if it shows you to be not a moron.

I know three cats probably have about twelve legs. They get in a fight with two or three sparrows. It might even be be four. It's fucking arms and wings everywhere.

As for the cats superiority in legs, I can't say exactly what it is. But I know it isn't 10-1.

Rooskia calling. Rooskia calling.

riosleftsock 10:54 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Pickle

Each country's armed forces have things they are good at and things they are shit at.

Russian forces do not do mobile war and although improved, they do not do combined arms as well as NATO forces. What they excel at is field artillery, and their equipment is more suited to this than the NATO kit, the steel is different (Russian barreling is more like WW1 and WW2 kit - it can be fired repeatedly with minimal maintenance). NATO kits is very accurate, more mobile but needs constant maintenance and is not designed to provide constant barrages of fire (its been developed for AFghan/Iraq etc, where they need to fire one precise shot and move quickly, so more useful in offense than defence). Quite a lot of the NATO M777 155mm is breaking down because the Ukrainians are using it as static field artillery (or were), the steel in the barrels can not withstand the constant high temperatures and is degrading (there are a lot of articles on this available, its not the fault of the otherwise excellent kit, its just not the right application)

Lee Trundle 10:49 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
If we're to believe the divs on here, and that the Russians aren't vastly outnumbering the Ukrainians, and are suffering heavy losses, and ran out of supplies 6 months ago, and have a load of untrained kids fighting for them, then they're doing awfully well rolling through Ukraine at the moment, don't ya think?

Hammer and Pickle 10:48 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Yes we all know about your devastating advantage when it comes to smashing a pie.

Kaiser Zoso 10:43 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
‘ Personally, I don't know what the exact figure is,’

Game set and match.

Hammer and Pickle 10:36 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Artillery advantage is judged in firepower and other factors like range and rate of fire not number of units. This is basic stuff, Kenneth.

Jaan Kenbrovin 10:29 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
According to figures from a couple of weeks ago Ukraine artillery is outnumbered by 20:1 in some areas.

mashed in maryland 10:28 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
"That's what I suspected. It's absolutely in his interests to exaggerate the scale of Russia's armoury"


That's a very good point tbh. Fair enough.

Still think you've got Kaiser wrong though

Hammer and Pickle 10:25 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
I see - incoherent abusive nonsense already.

Ta ra Lippy.

Kaiser Zoso 10:17 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
You don’t have an exact figure but you know it isn’t 10 to 1.

What a fucking idiot

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:16 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Lord Haw Haw 10:04 Mon Jul 4

'I tell you what cunt face, you dispute the 10 to 1 ratio as palpable bullshit. So what are the ratios then? and when you come up with the figures, maybe you can show everyone your sources?'

The 10-1 figure is palpable bullshit, as I have shown. Personally, I don't know what the exact figure is, which is why I haven't come on here posting obvious bollocks about it.

MiM

That's what I suspected. It's absolutely in his interests to exaggerate the scale of Russia's armoury. He's lobbying hard for more western weapons. That's precisely why his opinion doesn't support Haw Haw's nonsense.

Kaiser Zoso 10:13 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Oh fuck off head on a stick, no one is bothered replying to the shit you post. And kudos for assuming you fit cunt face, by the way

Hammer and Pickle 10:11 Mon Jul 4
Re: Is Putin about to make a big mistake?
Why should I?

I don’t even want to deny that when concentrating artillery on a narrow front, the Kremlin does enjoy an advantage of this kind.

But I have other concerns like why the lack of significant progress by the Kremlin to winning the war?

And of course NATO’s support of what you want us to regard as a lost cause.

Hammer and Pickle 10:04 Mon Jul 4
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*lost

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