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Q: 2022/23 You are the Chairman what do you do with Moyes?
a. Stick with him obviously, he's delivered two good seasons back to back and will see us out of this dip in form
20%
  
b. If we're still lingering around the bottom three by the start of the WC then that's the time to get rid
38%
  
c. What are we waiting for 2 wins in the last 20 PL games is reason enough to sack him, go now
36%
  
d. I've just got my new Orange & White 3rd Kit with Moyesinho on the back, I can't wait to wear it down to the supermarket, they call me Mr West Ham around here
6%
  



Crassus 3:40 Mon Feb 7
European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
FOMB, we have bought some filth

12th in the net spend charts, E374 off E676 gross, ahead of

Munich
Liverpool
Spurs
Madrid
Roma
Athletico
Dortmund

https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/

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SUM A DING WONG 11:31 Tue Feb 8
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
"They have invested soundly in youth. The morality of having lesser sides top kids away as they get their first curly hair and trawling the globe may be questionable but the commerciality can’t be
It is that which has sustained their buying power"

I should have been clearer, and added that the bigger clubs (Chelsea a great example) also attract the best youth player, as well as the best cheap younger prospect that they buy.

This of course, is all courtesy of them having spent all their money years ago to get them to the top of the tree.This then has them at the front of the queue for youth talent.

Chelsea loan their youths to Crystal Palace, & Southampton - we loan ours to MK Dons & Doncaster Rovers.

Crassus 11:52 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Haha
How timely whilst we rant on about transfers and losing Rice, just heard on the wireless that it was exactly 100 years ago that we lost our main man Syd Puddefoot for a world record fee


To bloody Falkirk

Crassus 11:48 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
The big difference is that over the course of the last decade all PL clubs have reaped the benefit of ever growing tv revenues of the like that the European sides can only dream
Financial crash, covid, nothing closed the gap so whilst the big six here are the big dogs, the mere dogs can plunder almost anywhere with impunity
So there are more fields to harvest if you know how to farm

SUM A DING WONG 11:34 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Of course, rumford.

We should have spent money on some strikers for a start.

The problem we have compared to Tottenham, is that when they were spending big, to break into the top 4, there were only 2 or 3 clubs spending the same or more than them.

Now, there's 6/7 clubs spending as much if not more than us.(even if their net spend is better, they're still spending
more).

Not spending more this summer gone, and/or January window will more than likely fuck us up - we'll see.

rumford 11:02 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
SUM A DING WONG
Yes their revenues have always been more than ours due to their dearer season ticket prices .corporate income, sponsorship ect, but the point im making is that its now double ours. So you dont think that we might have been closer had our club been run better over the last 10 years or so.

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Mad Dog 10:34 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Sum a ding wong

Buy cheap buy twice.... that's us

SUM A DING WONG 10:33 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Rumford,


They spent much more than us 15 - 20 years ago, to become a top 4 club

Top 4 means Champion League and all that comes with that.

This means they're near the top of the queue to entice the best, cheaper prospects (better than who we can entice).

Once these better prospects then train along side better players, they are then worth more when they're sold.

Rinse and repeat.

Mad Dog 10:32 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
We're high up because we've made fuck all back on our sales recently.

North Bank 10:28 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
rumford true about Tottenham's transfer dealings, they always tend to get top dollar when they sell their players, we on the other hand seem to get just a dollar.

rumford 10:23 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
SUM A DING WONG Yes but they generated the money in several ways and until recently were also shrewd in the transfer market However. the money was not handed to them by a rich owner.

SUM A DING WONG 10:06 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
To a lesser extent Rumford, Tottenham did what the other clubs did.

Spend loads, so that now they can buy the best prospects for cheap, who are then more likely to be sold for a bigger profit.

There's a pecking order to getting the best cheap prospects, not just the established players.

SUM A DING WONG 10:03 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
50 strikers that were all peanuts, bar Haller. (even Haller is nowhere near the top amount the bigger clubs spend)

What's the saying, 'buy cheap, buy twice' . in our case, it's 'buy cheap, buy 50 (and counting)'.

rumford 10:00 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Of course the top clubs have spend ridiculous amounts of money but with the right strategy and ambition we could have closed the gap on the likes of Man city Liverpool Chelsea and Man Utd like, dare I say, Spurs have over the last 8 -10 years or so.thats despite their owner Joe Lewis not spending a penny of his vast wealth.

SUM A DING WONG 9:58 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Chelsea are in such a ridiculously strong position that they could afford to lose De Brunye, Salah and Rice for fuck all and still be quids in.

Still, when we flog Rice we'll have the best net spend in the world - that'll be something to celebrate, eh.

Crassus 9:54 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Sum
Your analysis is correct in the first part but for Chelsea specifically, wrong in the second
They have invested soundly in youth. The morality of having lesser sides top kids away as they get their first curly hair and trawling the globe may be questionable but the commerciality can’t be
It is that which has sustained their buying power
Of course rampant player value inflation has really helped mitigate the higher profile failings to as their kids come through and those not quite elite find homes with second tier clubs
Anyway, I found the numbers interesting and a fundamental illustration of our hideous transfer policy. What is it, 50 strikers bought and hard pressed to find 5 that delivered?

SUM A DING WONG 9:49 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Exactly, Jasnik, and was nothing more than a bit part player who was loaned out a lot.

Jasnik 9:45 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Zouma joined Chelsea for £12 million in January 2014..

SUM A DING WONG 9:41 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
To be fair, Chelsea and the other top clubs who have a better net spend, spent a ridiculous amount more than us, to become the best clubs in the world.

That obviously means that the vast majority of their players are worth more than ours, so when they sell them, they get more money, than we generally do.Their players will hold their price more, when they're sold.

When they're not spending £70/80  million pound on players, the players that they do buy for more reasonable prices, will more often than not, be better than the players we buy for the same price (obviously, the best prospects would choose the big clubs over us). When they then move those players on, they'll generally be worth more than what we get, when we sell our players.

Zouma is a classic example. He was bought cheap, was  surplus to requirements and we bought him for £30 million (close to a record for us).If we sell a player who's surplus to requirements, we're lucky to get £10 million.

All those factors, should mean their net spend would be better than ours.

Yes, we've wasted money, but so do most clubs(including the bigger clubs) - doesn't stop them going out and buying  the quality (that's not cheap) that ultimately gives them the sustained success.

BRANDED 9:36 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
OK

To build a fan base. You MUST have a reason for fans to support you. This has moved from locale to success to new media/social media.

West ham have this strange romance. A cool working class club with both historic success and the glamour of violence. Like Gomorrah but in sport. Plus a little bit if fashion.

West Ham are now building upon that glamorous history to build a real long term success. We are NOT Crystal Palace. We are NOT Derby. We are much much more.

We are no where near the MONEY clubs though. Might never be. But we are more than most.

kylay 9:22 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Well, we could be like Manchester United running a billion dollar loss over the same time and not a single trophy in 5 years.

Crassus 9:20 Mon Feb 7
Re: European Clubs Spending Over The Last decade
Mex

And here is another stat on your lines

Which club had the highest wage bill based upon last filed accounts*?
Not
Utd
City
Chelsea
But Arsenal

* That was revealed in broadly the summer period, can’t remember precisely so subsequent filings my supersede. But it goes some way to Arsenal supporting Arteta in cleansing the squad of high earning / under performing members like Auba on £350/400k a WEEK!

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