WHO Poll
Q: 2022/23 You are the Chairman what do you do with Moyes?
a. Stick with him obviously, he's delivered two good seasons back to back and will see us out of this dip in form
22%
  
b. If we're still lingering around the bottom three by the start of the WC then that's the time to get rid
37%
  
c. What are we waiting for 2 wins in the last 20 PL games is reason enough to sack him, go now
36%
  
d. I've just got my new Orange & White 3rd Kit with Moyesinho on the back, I can't wait to wear it down to the supermarket, they call me Mr West Ham around here
5%
  



the exile 6:32 Thu May 12
Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
We all know that none of them is looking like being a first team regular any time soon, unless they make a massive impression early on. Hopefully they get plenty of opportunities in pre-season and then in the League Cup and whichever European competition we end up in. I also hope Moyes isn't afraid to use them if/when we have injuries.

Aji Alese - when he did get a chance this season he was decent but didn't look anywhere near as assured as he does for the U23s. Needs experience. Out on loan?

Jamal Baptiste - haven't seen enough of him to say very much, but I know he's highly rated. Not sure he's tall enough for a CB - I wonder if he should be a FB or DM.

Connor Coventry - probably has the best chance of all of them. A good all-round midfielder, he's got something about him and knows where the goal is. Good replacement for Noble. Hope he gets some chances.

Harrison Ashby - definitely has got something about him and could go far, though can be a bit error-prone. Dynamic, proactive, strong in the tackle and gets forward really well.

Manny Longelo - he was the best of the bunch in the Europa game when several of them played. Reminds me of Masuaku but with much more end product. Good dead ball specialist too. Questionable defensively but great going forward, so good as a wingback. Would like to see him developed as a winger.

Armstrong Okoflex - skillful, has an eye for goal, maybe needs to be a bit more robust and consistent. Loads of potential.

Sonny Perkins - clearly has goals in him but can be a bit selfish - who ever heard of that in a striker! With careful coaching and development I reckon we could be seeing more of him before long.

Any others worth a shout?

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the exile 11:22 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Manuel 5:34 - better keep that quiet. Daveyg and several others will be queuing up to volunteer to drive him to Fulham.

the exile 11:22 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Manuel 5:34 - better keep that quiet. Daveyg and several others will be queuing up to volunteer to drive him to Fulham.

the exile 11:18 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Sydney - that's all true, but the problem with that Europa game was that he played several of them in one game, a bit like BFS in that infamous FA Cup game at Forest a few years ago, the difference being that the Europa game was a dead rubber. But the point is that if the young players are going to be introduced to first team football it should ideally be one at a time. Then we would really see what they can do in the genuine first team environment.

ironskej 10:07 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Dan Chesters looked good in Europe

Sydney_Iron 6:12 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
One of the criticisms I have about Moyes and im by no means saying im correct or he shouldn’t do it as their may well be good reason.

But outside 13 or 14 players no one else gets much time, even off the bench and especially the youngsters don’t seem to get much chance at all, although was a Europa game he started a few that was the exception, we lost 1-0 but since then none of them have seen much 1st team football?

Get it to a certain extent if they cant cut it but im not sure its good thing either, if the youngsters are to come good you need to give them the opportunity and take a bit of risk not just the one game, even if its just coming on as a sub for the last 10 mins to build confidence etc, maybe he just doesn’t rate many of them though?

Manuel 5:34 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
exile - There's a story that Fulham want Masuaku, with a fee of 5 mil being touted, but he isn't worth 5 mil. He played under Marco Silva in Greece.

Alfs 2:36 Sat May 14
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
So tough to make the leap for kids now. Most clubs rather buy than trust.

How about every club has to play 3 under 21s in every League Cup game?

the exile 9:09 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Interesting discussion. I forgot about Chesters in the OP - good shout.

Basically this is all a bit of a mystery. What happens to all those highly rated youngsters that don't make it? Is their success or failure just down to raw ability, or to what extent do other factors like attitude and drive play a part? If they don't go on to make it elsewhere, then I suppose that vindicates the decisions of the manager and coaches. Apart from Stanislas, the only one I can think of who has done ok is Cullen, who is now a key player in a decent Belgian top-flight side. But how would he do back in the prem?

Coming back to Longelo, I'm sure I remember reading that we turned down a £1m offer for him from Forest in the January window. Anyone know if that was true?

daveyg - are you really expecting Masuaku to be gone next season? I didn't think he was out of contract for another year and I can't see anyone coming in for him. I totally agree with whoever it was that said Longelo should take his place in the squad.

Eerie Descent 7:48 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Rossal, I reckon the 30 odd members of staff and the West Ham manager will have a pretty good grasp of if they are ready for first team football or not. That's just a hunch, mind.

southbankbornnbred 4:27 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
But the better U-23s are invited to train with the full squad on occasions. Alesi etc has been with them recently.

They see a lot of video, and speak to the PDP senior coaches regularly. I suspect Moyes, Pearce etc have seen Alesi, for example, a lot more regularly than your average WHOer!

Rossal 4:07 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
You say that but are the U23s based at Rush Green with the first team or Little Heath/Chadwell Heath?

southbankbornnbred 4:03 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Yeah, I have to say that I expected to see Longolo a little bit more after his debut and form for the U-23s.

I thought he would be the one to make a breakthrough, even as back-up LB, this season. But didn't happen.

Don't forget, Moyes and his backroom staff see these kids day in, day out. Moyes is a good judge of a player's ability, Pearce is a former (and reasonably successful) England U-21 manager and the likes of Nolan and Devlin are experienced.

They see these kids a lot more than we do and watch them train with the first team when they do. It's a big step up from U-23s even to playing in training with hard-bitten fuckers like Rice, Coufal and Soucek. Then, if you're an attacking player, you have to try to match the techniques of Lanzini etc to get chosen.

legrandefromage 4:02 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
From assorted highlights I've liked the look of Pierre Ekwah but fear we have a group that excel collectively rather than have a couple of standout players.

At the only U23's match I have ever been to, I picked out Vashon Neufville as my tip for the top. And he disappeared into thin air (or Canada). So, shows what I know!

Rossal 3:55 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Eerie

They might not be good enough, but some of them might. Until you give them a chance of first team football we wont know. There's been plenty of opportunities this season to give some of them a go.....which would have been deserved and he hasn't. What more can they do at U23 level this season.

Plenty of youngsters get chucked in and flourish and become regulars.

You watched the Europa, Longelo clearly worth giving more game time too......not been seen since, puzzling.

Pedro 3:36 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
As many have said much harder for them now we are getting better.

For a good u23 to progress into the first team or get odd bits here and there they have to excel when given the chance.

So as an example if they go out on loan they have to be the stand out player their. Scores load of goals or get loads of man of match displays. Doing okay won’t cut it.

Likewise if get a few minutes in first team for us they have to something amazing.

Perkins missing his open goal against Genk a good example. Score that and he would have played more .

Harsh for them but that’s the level we are talking about.

threesixty 2:25 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Moyes seems to only give young players a chance when he has no other option. But what is good is that when they do get the chance and they impress he keeps them in the mix.

Sadly, I just think the youth players haven’t impressed him in the way Ngakia or Johnson had done in the past.

I don’t think it’s anymore than that really.

The only downside is that players get better the more 1st team games they play. But under Moyes I don’t think you get that extended run unless you have an amazing first game.

Lato 1:56 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
Dan Chesters

Came on at home against Genk and straight away won a crunching tackle, one of the biggest cheers of the night. Hope to see more of him next season with Noble retiring.

Robson 1:55 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
We're all assuming having a bare bones squad should make it easier for youth players to break through, but I'm wondering if it might actually be the opposite?

Moyes has had to make do all season (albeit possibly by his own hand), playing second and third choice players not always in their ideal positions, it just hasn't left any room for further potential weakening through experimentation. Yes we say some of the youth options might be better but he obviously sees it as a bigger risk.

If he had a full sqaud of 'better' players and was able to choose his first choice first team every week, maybe that would make it easier to sub out the odd player here and there for a youth alternative, as he could be confident the rest of the team would make up for any shortcomings. Zero chance of us being in that position though.

Nagel 1:38 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
I've just had a look at Rice's appearances that year when Moyes came in. For the first 2-3 months his only starts were away at Man City, then 6 games later away at Spurs. Moyes does seem to like to throw the kids in at the deep end when he does actually play them.

When Rice did become a regular, in nearly every game he started we didn't even have a CB on the bench, except one game where Josh Pask was there, so it really was bare bones.

I doubt very much that Moyes "had no hesitation about making Rice a mainstay". He literally had no choice if he wanted to play 3 at the back.

Eerie Descent 1:38 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
How do you know? Because of the actual evidence of this sort of thing that has happened thousands of times. If someone has been good enough, they've had a proper chance.

I don't agree with everything the manager does, but for fuck sake, the man has managed in the Premier League for nearly 2 decades. Not only does he have the numerous people working with these youngsters to speak to, he also watches the games himself that these young lads play in. You don't.

Do you honestly think a man with his experience, if he genuinely thought these lads were good enough, wouldn't have given them a chance this season? He gave Rice an extended run in the team, Ngakia, Ben Johnson. He's involved Chesters a fair bit, I reckon he'll be the next one to get a chance. The lads the did get a chance in the Europa weren't anywhere near ready to be starting Prem games, I saw that with my own eyes.

Lastly, give me the name of any youngsters that haven't been given a chance, that left the club and have gone on to make us look silly? Remember, Stanislas was about 15 years ago, and he's average.

Manuel 1:31 Fri May 13
Re: Which of our young players could be in and around the 1st team squad next season?
It's a difficult one to call, logic says that Moyes and the coaches see them every day and if they don't deem then good enough then we as fans should accept that. But then again, as said, could some of our more highly rated youngsters done much worse than some of the first teamers in some games this season.

What gives them less chance is that in today's game every game is 'massive' or 'huge' and the pressure is always on the manager to get points, so unless they are 99% sure a young player is up to it they don't want to take a punt as it could cost them the game.

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