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stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 14:22

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 13:01 Even taking into account his “OK” (but getting worse) record in the Premier League (which is all that matters), there are some intangibles that you have to consider at clubs like West Ham.

Tuesday night was alarming. Joyously hugging Forest players as they left the pitch, in front of your own fans who haven’t seen you win for ten games, said a lot about Nuno’s mindset and lack of fit so far.

After a defeat like that, you don’t act like you’re more delighted for your former players. In the previous game, he went straight down the tunnel at Wolves and didn’t even encourage his players to go and visit the away fans after such a poor performance. Instincts are important. His are not good - he doesn’t seem to give a monkeys about West Ham or us fans.

My feeling is he’s in this for himself. We could be any club to him. 




 

Oh I totally agree with at.  But that's a different thing entirely. That's optics and presentation...but in terms of his pure abiliuty to get results across different situations, we're an outlier.

Frankly you could level the same at the great majority of players in our squad...how many of them are just passing through in their careers? Very few aren't.  The fact that a performance like Wolves can happen shows you just how much it really matters to most of them...it matters as much as their personal and professional pride matter.

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 13:01 Even taking into account his “OK” (but getting worse) record in the Premier League (which is all that matters), there are some intangibles that you have to consider at clubs like West Ham.

Tuesday night was alarming. Joyously hugging Forest players as they left the pitch, in front of your own fans who haven’t seen you win for ten games, said a lot about Nuno’s mindset and lack of fit so far.

After a defeat like that, you don’t act like you’re more delighted for your former players. In the previous game, he went straight down the tunnel at Wolves and didn’t even encourage his players to go and visit the away fans after such a poor performance. Instincts are important. His are not good - he doesn’t seem to give a monkeys about West Ham or us fans.

My feeling is he’s in this for himself. We could be any club to him. 


 

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:50

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:40

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:31

I think this is an excellent assessment. Except I’d add that, personally, I’m not sold on Nuno and never have been. I think he’s yet another symptom of Sullivan’s unwillingness to buy a good manager out of their contract.

I hope he proves doubters wrong. Because I want to see any manager at West Ham do well. But I’m not convinced. He had one excellent year at Forest, fuelled by Wood being on fire (excuse the pun). But I’m not sold on him.

Most likely, if he relegated us, he’d have to go.

All I'd point to with Nuno is his results in the other jobs he's had:

NunoStats.png

We're a clear outlier, including across three PL teams of a similar stature.  So something is rotten at West Ham that has resulted in such a clear drop off from what has been pretty consistent for him since 2012.

One thing I will say though...he's had historical accusation of signing players through Mendes at inflated fees.  I can almost stomach this at West Ham just because we've had the same through Sullivan for ages.

 

Ah, the DATA!

I can’t take seriously an assessment of a manager with a win % ratio massively boosted by spells at the biggest club in a three-club league - and his highest win ratio in Saudi Arabia.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

boleyn8420 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 14:06 what is there to defend after such a shit show

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:40

All I'd point to with Nuno is his results in the other jobs he's had:

NunoStats.png

We're a clear outlier, including across three PL teams of a similar stature.  So something is rotten at West Ham that has resulted in such a clear drop off from what has been pretty consistent for him since 2012.

One thing I will say though...he's had historical accusation of signing players through Mendes at inflated fees.  I can almost stomach this at West Ham just because we've had the same through Sullivan for ages.

XKhammer wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 13:04

THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 08:55

Manuel wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 08:51

All things considered right now yes I would, and if he stays I think I will be proven correct.

Do you think he's shit?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit then yeah it's a crackhead called Nuno.

 

So we can add coprobhagia along with necrophilia and doing crack to your weird deviant habits.....wrong un 

THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 08:55

Manuel wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 08:51

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 06:49 It’s alright, Manuel said he keep Nuno even after relegation.

All things considered right now yes I would, and if he stays I think I will be proven correct.

Do you think he's shit?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit then yeah it's a crackhead called Nuno.

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:40

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:31

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 10:20 Much as we all know the Redkanpp/Bonds history, so Redknapp isn't well liked, just heard an interview with him on TalkSport and he made some good points.

In summary he basically just said our players aren't good enough. 

He used Burnley as an example...last season they dominated...same manager saying the same things, same training routines etc.  But the difference in levels between the two leagues is so great that they've moved up and are simply out of their depth.

For me, it's largely the same with Nuno.  His hisotry even up until last season shows he knows what he's doing.  Gets results. Same guy, doing and saying the same things.  Winning games.

But he's now with a squad that are simply not very good.  If we assess the actual quality levels:

GK:
Areola (worst in the league last season...binned as 3rd choice French keeper);
Hermansen (relegated with Leicester, looks worse than Areola)

FB:
KWP (relegated with Southampton),
Scarles (young kid trying to make his way),
Diouf (Czech league youth prospect bought to play wingback not full back)
AWB (Premier League standard and proven).

CB:
Kilman (woeful),
Mavropanos (signed to be backup to starting CBs),
Todibo (unproven in the PL...cant win headers...good player at mid-division French side.).
Mayers (young kid, making his way)

CM:
Potts (only ever played Championship, young and learning...shouldn't be first choice).
Magassa (was in and out of Monaco team...prospect). 
Fernandes (numbers suggest a good play in the relegated Southampton side, but still young and only second season in the league). 
Soucek (physically not the player he was and no longer able to compete phycially).
Rodriguez, Irving...no comment needed.

AM/FW:
Paqueta (Clearly a high quality player wut with clear flaws that can't be absorbed well within this team). 
Bowen (Clearly PL standard). 
Summerville (good numbers in the Championship...shown nothing in the PL). 
Castellanos (Jury out, but been an ok to good player in weaker foreign leagues);
Pablo (young prospect on a hot streak in a weak league and moved up several levels to come to the Premier League.

Our squad has 3 players who are clearly and undisputedly Premier League standard: AWB, Bowen and Paqueta...and that's not top 4 Premier League level, but more like Mid tier Premier League level.

We have a batch of young players 20-22 who may end up being good enough but certainly aren't established and equipped for a dog fight.  And then a bunch of players that are simply not the required standard.

And then look at players we've lost in the same context either through sales or departures at end of their careers:

Fabianski, Cresswell, Ogbonna, Zouma, Coufal, Rice, Kudus, Antonio, Emerson, Noble even, Dawson. 

Solid established proven Premier League pros, all replaced on the cheap with substandard replacements. 9 of them with clear leadership skills.

It's not really any surprise we are where we are. The squad has been allowed to drift in terms of quality, has no strong characters for when times are tough.

None of that is on this manager.

I think this is an excellent assessment. Except I’d add that, personally, I’m not sold on Nuno and never have been. I think he’s yet another symptom of Sullivan’s unwillingness to buy a good manager out of their contract.

I hope he proves doubters wrong. Because I want to see any manager at West Ham do well. But I’m not convinced. He had one excellent year at Forest, fuelled by Wood being on fire (excuse the pun). But I’m not sold on him.

Most likely, if he relegated us, he’d have to go.

All I'd point to with Nuno is his results in the other jobs he's had:

NunoStats.png

We're a clear outlier, including across three PL teams of a similar stature.  So something is rotten at West Ham that has resulted in such a clear drop off from what has been pretty consistent for him since 2012.

One thing I will say though...he's had historical accusation of signing players through Mendes at inflated fees.  I can almost stomach this at West Ham just because we've had the same through Sullivan for ages.

pdcwhu wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 23:20 The Fat lady hasn't Sang yet....
We're well capable of staying up

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 12:31

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 10:20 Much as we all know the Redkanpp/Bonds history, so Redknapp isn't well liked, just heard an interview with him on TalkSport and he made some good points.

In summary he basically just said our players aren't good enough. 

He used Burnley as an example...last season they dominated...same manager saying the same things, same training routines etc.  But the difference in levels between the two leagues is so great that they've moved up and are simply out of their depth.

For me, it's largely the same with Nuno.  His hisotry even up until last season shows he knows what he's doing.  Gets results. Same guy, doing and saying the same things.  Winning games.

But he's now with a squad that are simply not very good.  If we assess the actual quality levels:

GK:
Areola (worst in the league last season...binned as 3rd choice French keeper);
Hermansen (relegated with Leicester, looks worse than Areola)

FB:
KWP (relegated with Southampton),
Scarles (young kid trying to make his way),
Diouf (Czech league youth prospect bought to play wingback not full back)
AWB (Premier League standard and proven).

CB:
Kilman (woeful),
Mavropanos (signed to be backup to starting CBs),
Todibo (unproven in the PL...cant win headers...good player at mid-division French side.).
Mayers (young kid, making his way)

CM:
Potts (only ever played Championship, young and learning...shouldn't be first choice).
Magassa (was in and out of Monaco team...prospect). 
Fernandes (numbers suggest a good play in the relegated Southampton side, but still young and only second season in the league). 
Soucek (physically not the player he was and no longer able to compete phycially).
Rodriguez, Irving...no comment needed.

AM/FW:
Paqueta (Clearly a high quality player wut with clear flaws that can't be absorbed well within this team). 
Bowen (Clearly PL standard). 
Summerville (good numbers in the Championship...shown nothing in the PL). 
Castellanos (Jury out, but been an ok to good player in weaker foreign leagues);
Pablo (young prospect on a hot streak in a weak league and moved up several levels to come to the Premier League.

Our squad has 3 players who are clearly and undisputedly Premier League standard: AWB, Bowen and Paqueta...and that's not top 4 Premier League level, but more like Mid tier Premier League level.

We have a batch of young players 20-22 who may end up being good enough but certainly aren't established and equipped for a dog fight.  And then a bunch of players that are simply not the required standard.

And then look at players we've lost in the same context either through sales or departures at end of their careers:

Fabianski, Cresswell, Ogbonna, Zouma, Coufal, Rice, Kudus, Antonio, Emerson, Noble even, Dawson. 

Solid established proven Premier League pros, all replaced on the cheap with substandard replacements. 9 of them with clear leadership skills.

It's not really any surprise we are where we are. The squad has been allowed to drift in terms of quality, has no strong characters for when times are tough.

None of that is on this manager.

I think this is an excellent assessment. Except I’d add that, personally, I’m not sold on Nuno and never have been. I think he’s yet another symptom of Sullivan’s unwillingness to buy a good manager out of their contract.

I hope he proves doubters wrong. Because I want to see any manager at West Ham do well. But I’m not convinced. He had one excellent year at Forest, fuelled by Wood being on fire (excuse the pun). But I’m not sold on him.

Most likely, if he relegated us, he’d have to go.

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 10:20 Much as we all know the Redkanpp/Bonds history, so Redknapp isn't well liked, just heard an interview with him on TalkSport and he made some good points.

In summary he basically just said our players aren't good enough. 

He used Burnley as an example...last season they dominated...same manager saying the same things, same training routines etc.  But the difference in levels between the two leagues is so great that they've moved up and are simply out of their depth.

For me, it's largely the same with Nuno.  His hisotry even up until last season shows he knows what he's doing.  Gets results. Same guy, doing and saying the same things.  Winning games.

But he's now with a squad that are simply not very good.  If we assess the actual quality levels:

GK:
Areola (worst in the league last season...binned as 3rd choice French keeper);
Hermansen (relegated with Leicester, looks worse than Areola)

FB:
KWP (relegated with Southampton),
Scarles (young kid trying to make his way),
Diouf (Czech league youth prospect bought to play wingback not full back)
AWB (Premier League standard and proven).

CB:
Kilman (woeful),
Mavropanos (signed to be backup to starting CBs),
Todibo (unproven in the PL...cant win headers...good player at mid-division French side.).
Mayers (young kid, making his way)

CM:
Potts (only ever played Championship, young and learning...shouldn't be first choice).
Magassa (was in and out of Monaco team...prospect). 
Fernandes (numbers suggest a good play in the relegated Southampton side, but still young and only second season in the league). 
Soucek (physically not the player he was and no longer able to compete phycially).
Rodriguez, Irving...no comment needed.

AM/FW:
Paqueta (Clearly a high quality player wut with clear flaws that can't be absorbed well within this team). 
Bowen (Clearly PL standard). 
Summerville (good numbers in the Championship...shown nothing in the PL). 
Castellanos (Jury out, but been an ok to good player in weaker foreign leagues);
Pablo (young prospect on a hot streak in a weak league and moved up several levels to come to the Premier League.

Our squad has 3 players who are clearly and undisputedly Premier League standard: AWB, Bowen and Paqueta...and that's not top 4 Premier League level, but more like Mid tier Premier League level.

We have a batch of young players 20-22 who may end up being good enough but certainly aren't established and equipped for a dog fight.  And then a bunch of players that are simply not the required standard.

And then look at players we've lost in the same context either through sales or departures at end of their careers:

Fabianski, Cresswell, Ogbonna, Zouma, Coufal, Rice, Kudus, Antonio, Emerson, Noble even, Dawson. 

Solid established proven Premier League pros, all replaced on the cheap with substandard replacements. 9 of them with clear leadership skills.

It's not really any surprise we are where we are. The squad has been allowed to drift in terms of quality, has no strong characters for when times are tough.

None of that is on this manager.

stubbo-admin wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 09:42 I'm half way between Thunder and Manuel.

Nuno clearly has been successful in previous roles...that is inarguable.  The outcomes of his management at West Ham are far and away the worst set of resuolts he's ever had in management.

To just decribe him as shit is probably not getting to the underlying issues he's having at West Ham with being successful:

1. Is it the squad can't do what he's asking?
2. Is it that he has none of his usual staff who are used to supporting his way of working?
3. Has his 'way' been found out and we're just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
4. Is working at West ham just an untenable situation given the current Director of Football we have in place?

If we look at the last season of Moyes as a defined period, then we have 4 managers in a row that have struggled to win games at West Ham, all conceding huge numbers of goals in the process.  They've all played different styles of football fundamentally. 

Are they all just 'shit' (they've certainly all had previous success in their careers at equivalent or bigger clubs than we are), or is there a bigger picture in play?

Everywhere else Nuno has been he's won as many or more games than he's lost, right back to the start of his managerial career and including at three other teams in the Premier League.  Makes me think what we're experiencing is not down to that single individual, but much more likely the wider situation at the club.  We've tried 4 different manager in 2 seasons...that hasn't worked.  Why would getting a 5th manager make any difference? 

At this point, I think we'd be better to stick with a manager who has a clear history of success managing clubs of our size, resources and stature, and to focus on addressing wider issues.

Otherwise we just keep rolling a 6-sided dice hoping the next number up will be the lucky number, when we probably need to roll a 7.

Manuel wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 08:51

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 06:49 It’s alright, Manuel said he keep Nuno even after relegation.

All things considered right now yes I would, and if he stays I think I will be proven correct.

Do you think he's shit?

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 06:49 It’s alright, Manuel said he keep Nuno even after relegation.

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 08:03

THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 07:55

pdcwhu wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 23:20 The Fat lady hasn't Sang yet....
We're well capable of staying up

The fat lady sang at Fulham.

Since then she's just been shitting the bed.

We've not played Fulham away yet bud.