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Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 21:32goose wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 21:18Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 21:05Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.
Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.
Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.
You should probably take a look at the jobs numbers - there is no growth.
Again I suggest you go back and look at the capital investment data I shared with you. It's data centres/AI driving it. Not cars, not iphones (when are those US made iphones going on sale?), not steelworks.
The manufacturing sector in the US is contracting and so is demand and this while input prices continue to rise.
Be my gust to come back every month with manufacturing PMI.Actually PMI is above 50 so it’s not contracting.
Manufacturing is part of capex see Rolls Royce as just one example. There are plenty of others if you care to look.
Manufacturing is only 10% of US GDP.
Even without the obvious robust growth we will see in manufacturing in the year ahead the US GDP and therefor the US consumer and Economy are gonna do very well under Trump and Trumps policies moving forward.
You must be gutted. Like I keep saying read about the difference between Macro and micro economics then apply them to the US economy. You might just stop mugging yourself off.
goose wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 21:18Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 21:05goose wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 20:41I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.
Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?
Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw.Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.
Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.
Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.
You should probably take a look at the jobs numbers - there is no growth.
Again I suggest you go back and look at the capital investment data I shared with you. It's data centres/AI driving it. Not cars, not iphones (when are those US made iphones going on sale?), not steelworks.
The manufacturing sector in the US is contracting and so is demand and this while input prices continue to rise.
Be my gust to come back every month with manufacturing PMI.
Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 21:05goose wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 20:41Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 20:26It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!
Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.
And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.
Pick the peanuts out of that.
I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.
Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?
Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw.Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.
Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.
Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.
goose wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 20:41Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 20:26It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!
Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.
And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.
Pick the peanuts out of that.
I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.
Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?
Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw.
Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 20:26It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!
Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.
And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.
Pick the peanuts out of that.
Nutsin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 19:48Here you go Goose and remember now, we had a Gov’t shut down that hurt the GDP numbers, without the Dirty Dems playing politics these numbers would be even higher.
I know it hurts!
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Hammer I am" wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 19:43SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:58zebthecat wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:30That is weapons grade straw clutching.
As others have said they were based in Helmand province which was one of the most dangerous places in Aghanistan and got blown up and attacked regularly. Special Forces fought behind the lines alongside US Special forces.
He said it, meant it and it was a pack of lies.He actually attacked the countries, not the troops. Here's the full quote. Only a Grade 1 TDS sufferer would claim he is attacking the actual soldiers.
"We’ve never needed them (Nato member countries). We have never really asked anything of them. They’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that, and they did, they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines."Being Nutsin's little sidekick has rotted your brain, those are the points everyone has already countered. Ok perhaps you can counter in your own worlds in bold how US didn't ask for assistance by triggering article 5, and how NATO troops were hiding behind American soldiers by being posted in Helmand province etc. feel free to change the subject as usual though
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:58zebthecat wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:30SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 01:26I think you have this the wrong way round. It's you that's guessing what he meant. I'm simply repeating what he actually said. Which was that Britain avoided the front line in Afghanistan. Factually true. And not a criticism of British troops.That is weapons grade straw clutching.
As others have said they were based in Helmand province which was one of the most dangerous places in Aghanistan and got blown up and attacked regularly. Special Forces fought behind the lines alongside US Special forces.
He said it, meant it and it was a pack of lies.He actually attacked the countries, not the troops. Here's the full quote. Only a Grade 1 TDS sufferer would claim he is attacking the actual soldiers.
"We’ve never needed them (Nato member countries). We have never really asked anything of them. They’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that, and they did, they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines."
SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:58zebthecat wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:30SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 01:26I think you have this the wrong way round. It's you that's guessing what he meant. I'm simply repeating what he actually said. Which was that Britain avoided the front line in Afghanistan. Factually true. And not a criticism of British troops.That is weapons grade straw clutching.
As others have said they were based in Helmand province which was one of the most dangerous places in Aghanistan and got blown up and attacked regularly. Special Forces fought behind the lines alongside US Special forces.
He said it, meant it and it was a pack of lies.He actually attacked the countries, not the troops. Here's the full quote. Only a Grade 1 TDS sufferer would claim he is attacking the actual soldiers.
"We’ve never needed them (Nato member countries). We have never really asked anything of them. They’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that, and they did, they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines."
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 18:59 always find it strange, an apparent ex british citizen enjoying/welcoming the demise of his birth country because of some sick devotion to an orange oddball cսnt