Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[Fo the Communist]

*whoever of us is right*

[Fo the Communist]

"Crass. No one is getting carried away - see Roy Jenkins' Ming vase analogy which I know resonates with the leadership. Eerie. Fair enough indeed, mate. That's the beauty of civilised English discourse isn't it. But don't think I am trivialising the woke debate. I may be coming at it from a different perspective but it is far from a trivial issue - whoever of us us right."

[Eerie Descent]

"Fo the Communist 3:54 Tue Feb 7 You are completely trivialising what is actually happening. Which is fair enough, if you want to overlook reality that's your right to do so. We couldn't disagree more."

[Crassus]

"Fo It is difficult to imagine the Tory's could have conceived a more catastrophic administration had they tried. Funny enough when all the talk was of the 'red wall' I was espousing that was the least of their problem, they were and now have, blown bloody great holes in their own blue version Not quite so sure that it's all down to Starmer but that aside, your chaps would be well advised to control their excitement, after all opinion polls have been rather amusingly incorrect before"

[Fo the Communist]

"Crass. All good here, cheers. Labour's vagueness on trans issues irritates me too. So much grief on a matter of so little general interest. It's symbolic of a party trying too hard not to upset what it perceives to be an element of its core vote that is feels it has to keep happy. The irony is that those most vocal in defending a woman's right not to be confronted by swinging-dick blokes in their own spaces (for which they have fought long and hard are also within the party. As ever, some odd dynamics playing out. Re your last point, Labour is currently polling at around 50 percent. It's clearly speaking for some people, even if it's chiming with a body politic not of your own persuasion. Aided and abetted by the Tories of course, Starmer's achievement as leader have gone far beyond what I would have predicted."

[Crassus]

"BRANDED Afternoon my old China ''Is not the issue the perceived offence taken by left, right and centre by language deemed offensive and the degree to which a philosophy in partnership with power can put that right?'' In a word no It's more an issue of remote and minority pressure groups being given a disproportionate platform by a metrocentric media, political class and a self serving legal system. Woe betide anyone suggest that there are more immediately important and pressing issues, they are immediately far right 'gammons' - an amusing racist pejorative at that And as for the young lemon, he sounds like one of those Ruperts that drive a Range Rover from the home counties to park and obstruct the M25 Is he a bird with a dick by chance or just aspiring to be so? ;)"

[BRANDED]

Zero Excellent work. I learn everyday.

[Crassus]

"All good thanks Fo and trust you are too My point on the 'gammon' bit is that it's a term from the left to describe those who object to the rise of dappy wokism - you don't hear those of the right using it Interestingly enough, I also note that any body, individual or collective who sits outside the modern liberal left is now classified as 'Far Right', another ludicrous catch all for centre, centre right or even modest right, when in reality, rarely out of the SS school of thought I'd suggest that most Tory friends opine 'we are where we are on their watch' because those who are, are not Tory's Mind you, it does amuse me when your mob get into all sorts of bother on gender based Arthur and Martha interviews and cover all economic matters by spending more upon the public service by further taxing the private If any half sensible politician, Labour or Tory, stood up, called a bird a bird and reined in racial untruths, 'Syrian' boat people from Albania and the duplicitous 'Green' tax offensive that few outside of a student hall or Brighton actual vote for, then they would be on a march to No10"

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Branded You couldn't roast an oven ready chicken, mate."

[BRANDED]

It was an argument about James Bond. I only roast people on comedy threads when challenged by intellectual inferiors.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Branded Was this young person reduced to tears by the sheer force of your mighty intellect or was it when you called them a 'spastic 'and a closet 'tranny'

[BRANDED]

"Crass If I may. Is not the issue the perceived offence taken by left, right and centre by language deemed offensive and the degree to which a philosophy in partnership with power can put that right? Its about the impact or words and then actions around offensive language and behaviour? I had a friend’s 22 year old son suggest in conversation that he might not like me as we disagreed on something. As it happens I found him quite interesting as he actually did believe in something but he found it impossible to explain why. It led to him crying which was a shame but you have to learn its inly words and ideas. You must expect others to not have the same beliefs as you and to win the argument be robust or beg to differ. What the young man didnt have was enough robustness in his core beliefs when challenged. What I didnt have was the willingness to accept poor ill considered ideas. Its entirely possible someone somewhere might convince me. They’ll have to be extremely robust in their argument and I’m not averse to post modernist beliefs."

[BRANDED]

"Crass If I may. Is not the issue the perceived offence taken by left, right and centre by language deemed offensive and the degree to which a philosophy in partnership with power can put that right? Its about the impact or words and then actions around offensive language and behaviour? I had a friend’s 22 year old son suggest in conversation that he might not like me as we disagreed on something. As it happens I found him quite interesting as he actually did believe in something but he found it impossible to explain why. It led to him crying which was a shame but you have to learn its inly words and ideas. You must expect others to not have the same beliefs as you and to win the argument be robust or beg to differ. What the young man didnt have was enough robustness in his core beliefs when challenged. What I didnt have was the willingness to accept poor ill considered ideas. Its entirely possible someone somewhere might convince me. They’ll have to be extremely robust in their argument and I’m not averse to post modernist beliefs."

[Fo the Communist]

"Afternoon Crass - hope you are well. I don't think I disagree with much, if anything about your post (bit confused about the gammon reference though). To be honest I'm starting to forget where I came in (age is a terrible thing) but I think my original point was to suggest there's a deliberate attempt to highlight, magnify, and homogenise examples of 'woke' as a means of divide and conquer. . And I suspect all this is a deliberate play by those on - and in hock to - the political populist right as to do so encourages the familiar 'us and them' narrative which serves as a convenient point of difference on which to seek electoral capital. Do I side with the wokies on many issues? No. Do I think we are all being taken for mugs in being sold this idea, for political gain, that our very way of life is under attack because of some palpably daft woke ideas? Very possible. And those on the right who disagree with the last point might be better of asking their Tory friends why we are where we are on their watch."

[Crassus]

"Fo Hiya mate, a quick intrusion if I may There is a clear pattern, the global 'Left' is the domain and indeed the font of Wokism, decrying objectors I'm yet to hear the 'Right' bark about 'Gammons' but serve as the broad resistors of such nonsense Fair minded individuals of the left would serve their aims better by calling the bullshit for what it is, a means of deliberate division And of Asians, it's not some is it? Nothing random about in the slightest.- an example Indians have assimilated and excel, of the Times 100 wealth list, the most frequent demographic are the Indians, specifically 'African Indians' Educationally compare the attainment of Indians, at the top end and Pakistanis, at the bottom. Both originating from the sub continent, both with a culture of extended family and both historically referred to in the 'Paki' pejorative Far more at play than the glib and typically woke explanation"

[Fo the Communist]

"Eerie. I think my point was that I believed CRT, if it was taught at all, was taught as a theory rather than as fact . If it was the former, I'd have no problem, if it was the latter I would have concerns. I'll reserve judgement on Labour's 'plans' until I see the substance. But its a bit of a leap to say that because some Asians have made good there is no structural racism in this country. And I say that in the full belief that the race card is greatly overplayed in this country."

[Eerie Descent]

"And the other point, Fo? Also, I remember you telling me that CRT is not taught in schools. I'm sure you'll have broad enough shoulders to admit you were wrong about that as well."

[Mike Oxsaw]

Who funds these Wokoids? That act as if they have free access to a bottomless money pit.

[Fo the Communist]

Eerie You couldn't be more wrong about my personal circumstances as it happens.

[Eerie Descent]

"""Labour considering plans to tackle structural racial inequality = woke. Blimey"" Why hasn't the 'Structual Racism' that apparently exists in Britain affected the many, many Asians who have come to this country and absolutely smashed it? You're obviously a work lemming, and not involved in running a business. You'd know the crack if you were"

[BRANDED]

First it was the Catholics then it was the woke?

[bruuuno]

Spot on stubbo.

[stubbo]

"- Critical Race Theory - Gender Queer Theory, and the movement to gender affirming treatment of minors - Post-modernist Deconstructionism. Fundamentally all of this stuff leads to a road that is acceptance of ALL deviances, as it proposes all norms and society accepted human morality standards are 'social constructs' and the result of an oppressive patriarchy, where they espouse individuals should be empowered to do whatever they fancy under the guide of 'all human nature is natural'. We're way past the thin end of the wedge...at the other end of the wedge is child abuse as being socially acceptable. Right minded people need to resist this shit with everything they have and at all times."

[Toe Rag]

"Not just America. The black clad antifa lot, though small in number are usually at the women’s rallies counter protesting, trying to look intimidating. Protesting for the rights of blokes to be sprauncing about bollock naked in changing rooms, with your mum/sisters/wives/kids. There was a perv where I grew up who would flash kids on their way to school. Even back then the police wouldn’t do anything about him. Their excuse was he was doing it from his house so they couldn’t do anything. The problem was sorted in the end by a few of the dads."

[BRANDED]

Wokeism exists because some people want to impose ridiculous ideas on others who are happy to push back. Then the woke get offended.