Boxing

[Nutsin]

Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.

I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.

Who you got?

[MaryMillingtonsGhost]

I like Wardley. Decent, honest pro.
Have to say though that I fancy Parker. Think he'll have too much for him.
Been in with the best (of the current crop), and hasn't dissapointed.

[Massive Attack]

Parker vs Wardley coming up on the 25th Oct, who's winning that? Open to the floor..

[southbankbornnbred]

Leonard won the Hagler. Watching SRL counter attacking off the ropes was pure brilliance. He lost to Duran not at his peak. The next 'no mas"' fight he took the piss out of Duran.

Argument over. 


 

Well, against the indisputable logic of simply repeating the words "argument over", Swiss, I bow out!

[Massive Attack]

Here's another good vid of Calzaghe for you Council Scum..



In the words of Enzo "you pissed it!"

Why did he avoid Carl Froch ?

You'd have to ask them why it didn't happen. That would have been a great fight. Do like Cobra a lot but I think an ageing Calzaghe still wins that on points. Calzaghe probably regrets not coming out of retirement though as it would have been a special fight having decided the Jones one would be his last at the Mecca of Boxing Madison Square. He probably wanted to go out on that high that couldn't be topped. 

[Swiss.]

Leonard won the Hagler. Watching SRL counter attacking off the ropes was pure brilliance. He lost to Duran not at his peak. The next 'no mas"' fight he took the piss out of Duran.

Argument over. 


 

Now Andre Ward was a great middleweight . Undefeated . Froch gave him a good fight though. 

[Swiss.]

Here's another good vid of Calzaghe for you Council Scum..



In the words of Enzo "you pissed it!"

Why did he avoid Carl Froch ?

[Swiss.]

Leonard won the Hagler. Watching SRL counter attacking off the ropes was pure brilliance. He lost to Duran not at his peak. The next 'no mas"' fight he took the piss out of Duran.

Argument over. 

 

[Massive Attack]

Here's another good vid of Calzaghe for you Council Scum..



In the words of Enzo "you pissed it!"

[Massive Attack]

"Clearly lost" "Absolutely robbed" who knows better than 2 experienced Judges with identical cards on the night for Calzaghe winning.

[Council Scum]

Biggest ever fan... what the fuck are you on about? All I've claimed is Calzaghe is the better Boxer with a record that stands up and had fuck all left to prove. And even going back over the war of the world's bout (funny how I remembered that along with Reids djing on the side..) as it's been over a quarter of a century it's not easy to recall every bit of the fight and re-watched it with fuck all robbery in sight. I'm English and would have loved to have seen Reid win but sorry, he never won that fight and glad you posted up the vid for us all to see.


 

That you think Jones is a step down from Joe proves you're an idiot. that you couldn't recall Joe v Robin ,tells me you know shit about boxing and just look at records. 

[Massive Attack]

Biggest ever fan... what the fuck are you on about? All I've claimed is Calzaghe is the better Boxer with a record that stands up and had fuck all left to prove. And even going back over the war of the world's bout (funny how I remembered that along with Reids djing on the side..) as it's been over a quarter of a century it's not easy to recall every bit of the fight and re-watched it with fuck all robbery in sight. I'm English and would have loved to have seen Reid win but sorry, he never won that fight and glad you posted up the vid for us all to see.

 

[Council Scum]

Council Scum seems to think he knows better about judging than 2 experienced Judges on the night in favour of Calzaghe winning.  The English Judge was the only Judge who had Reid up by 5 points even with a docked point! So out of the 3 scorecards, his was the most questionable. Not a chance in hell was Reid up by 6. Whereas the other 2 were identical and more likely if you re-watch the match again..

Why would you think I don't know about judging? 

[Council Scum]

"Clearly lost" "Absolutely robbed" from the forum Boxing expert.

 

 

Well one judge gave it to him with him losing a point ... so one judge had him wining convincingly, most (not all) experts had him winning, it's well known both were Frank Warren fighters and Frank (rightly) saw Joe as his next meal ticket, all though Warren ended up screwing him over years later as well for money.

You had never even seen the fight, despite being Joes biggest ever fan. Yet claim Roy Jones Jnr, one of the greatest ever, is a step down from Joe. You're an armchair idiot. 

[Massive Attack]

Council Scum seems to think he knows better about judging than 2 experienced Judges on the night in favour of Calzaghe winning.  The English Judge was the only Judge who had Reid up by 5 points even with a docked point! So out of the 3 scorecards, his was the most questionable. Not a chance in hell was Reid up by 6. Whereas the other 2 were identical and more likely if you re-watch the match again..

[Massive Attack]

"Clearly lost" "Absolutely robbed" from the forum Boxing expert.

[Council Scum]

On my lunch break and finally been able to get round to watching it..

At least 3 of the first 4 rounds to Calzaghe. Even from the very 1st round Calzaghe had marked Reid on his left cheek needing work on it.

Reid holding on to Calzaghe a lot, even to the point at one stage of grabbing his leg ffs! Also kept twisting his arm up in holds. 5th Round - Reid arguably could have been deducted a point for persistent holding that was followed up by a muggy sucker punch right in front of the Ref who was trying to split them apart giving Reid a right bollocking for it. Reid then bangs him hard on the back of the head in a hold like a dirty cսnt who is showing signs of a frustrated Boxer. Calzaghe smashes him clean at another point then winks at his corner clearly enjoying himself that much in control of the fight as Reid holds on yet again for dear life. 6th Round Calzaghe manages to open up a cut on Reids other cheek now. 

By comparison Calzaghe at this stage is unmarked, whilst Reids got marked up on both sides of his face with Calzaghe clearly on top with Reid fortunate to not get deducted a point with how he's acted in there using dirty tactics trying to unsettle Calzaghe but to no effect.

Every judge gave Reid the first round and two gave him 2 of the first 4, you don't have a clue about judging a fight. 

Oh right, so when it suits you, the Judges scores do count with 2 Judges scoring it in favour of Calzaghe winning it. Which is it..

I'm pointing out, you are trying to judge a fight, when you aren't in a position too. You claim to be a Joe fan (I'd wager I've been to more of his fights than you) yet know fuck all about the Reid controversy and had never seen the fight, you're an armchair fan at best. 

[Council Scum]

It's obvious you didn't even know bout the second fight between Leonard and Hearns, which is surprising seeing as you are such as self proclaimed expert.

I said Hearns won the fight but don't take my word for it, Here's a clip of Sugar Ray Leonard saying it himself, unless of course you know more about the fight than Sugar Ray?

https://www.google.com/search?q=sugar+r ... blSJE,st:0

And just in case you don't believe the clip here is another one


https://www.google.com/search?q=sugar+r ... gScbA,st:0



As for a fighter losing weight s opposed to gaining weight for a fight here is what AI says.

AI Overview
It is generally easier for a boxer to gain weight for a fight than it is to lose it, especially in the short term. Gaining weight is a matter of eating more calories and protein, and can be done through a strategic diet and weightlifting program. Losing weight is a more complex and often dangerous process involving extreme methods like dehydration to shed water weight quickly, which can negatively impact a fighter's strength and performance if not managed properly. 

Sounds like you're the one who doesn't have a clue of what he is talking about.

As you were.

The second bout between Hearns and Leonard was in 1989 and was at Supermiddleweight, it was a draw, how the hell is that Hearn beating a prime Leonard. Have a day off, that's embarrassing. 

The first fight was for the undisputed Welterweight title, not light middle like you claim, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. 

All fighters lose weight in a training camp to fight at their naturally weight, but that;'s not what you are talking about, you claim it's easier to put muscle on and fight a naturally bigger guy at his own weight, you are talking complete and utter bollocks (I've done both)  and if AI is the best you can come up with, you really can't claim to know shit about boxing. 

 

 

Hearns was ahead of Leonard on points when they first fought, even Angelo Dundee told Leonard he was "blowing it " in his corner. Yeah he caught Hearns at the end but the fact remains Hearns was out boxing him for most of the fight, I'll refer you to the Judges scorecards for verification.

Read the thread you will see I corrected the weight they fought at in the first fight to welterweight. 

I brought AI in to it because I don't want to argue with some twat who thinks he's the oracle of boxing.


Not gonna go round and around with you on losing weight "for a fight" as has been said It's common knowledge, not gonna let you twist my words so you can save face, it's obvious you are wrong.

Now go take a lie down ffs!

You have got yourself in a real mess, you claimed Hearns beat Leonard in his prime, he didn't, he got beat up, it's like saying Lewis was behind to Klitchko so he lost. It's a bollocks argument. You fucked up and have dug holes ever since. 

[Massive Attack]

3 times the Ref warns Reid about his antics in just that 1st round alone and he clearly got clobbered hard with damage to his left cheek. He started to come in to it late on in the round but overall little in it and just gave it to Calzaghe. He was the one mostly on the front foot trying to instigate a fight taking the centre ground rather than Reid holding on for dear life for most of it apart from the late flurry when he did get some success.

[Massive Attack]

On my lunch break and finally been able to get round to watching it..

At least 3 of the first 4 rounds to Calzaghe. Even from the very 1st round Calzaghe had marked Reid on his left cheek needing work on it.

Reid holding on to Calzaghe a lot, even to the point at one stage of grabbing his leg ffs! Also kept twisting his arm up in holds. 5th Round - Reid arguably could have been deducted a point for persistent holding that was followed up by a muggy sucker punch right in front of the Ref who was trying to split them apart giving Reid a right bollocking for it. Reid then bangs him hard on the back of the head in a hold like a dirty cսnt who is showing signs of a frustrated Boxer. Calzaghe smashes him clean at another point then winks at his corner clearly enjoying himself that much in control of the fight as Reid holds on yet again for dear life. 6th Round Calzaghe manages to open up a cut on Reids other cheek now. 

By comparison Calzaghe at this stage is unmarked, whilst Reids got marked up on both sides of his face with Calzaghe clearly on top with Reid fortunate to not get deducted a point with how he's acted in there using dirty tactics trying to unsettle Calzaghe but to no effect.

Every judge gave Reid the first round and two gave him 2 of the first 4, you don't have a clue about judging a fight. 

Oh right, so when it suits you, the Judges scores do count with 2 Judges scoring it in favour of Calzaghe winning it. Which is it..

[Nutsin]

 

You claimed Hearns beat Leonard in his prime, he didn't. He lost. and this is from Boxrec just to clear up how that fight went
"The scoring was controversial. Many felt that rounds six and seven should have been scored 10-8 for Leonard. Pat Putnam of Sports Illustrated opined:Leonard dominated the fight and dictated the pace. The only excitement and action were produced by Leonard. There were only three lopsided rounds, the sixth, seventh and 13th, and Leonard won them all. And the only fighter really hurt was Hearns. But each of the three judges for the WBC-WBA title unification bout had Leonard behind—by four, three and two points—at the end. All of them inexplicably equated a slap on the wrist with a mugging.Leonard had Hearns reeling in the sixth and seventh rounds; was within a couple of punches of knocking him out in the 13th; and finally bullied him so brutally in the 14th that Pearl had to stop it. However, if the fight had run its 15-round course, Hearns no doubt would have won because of the judges' distorted scoring."

You think it's easier to go up in weight? You ever fought someone whose naturally bigger at their weight? I think you don't know the first clue about what you are talking about.

It's obvious you didn't even know bout the second fight between Leonard and Hearns, which is surprising seeing as you are such as self proclaimed expert.

I said Hearns won the fight but don't take my word for it, Here's a clip of Sugar Ray Leonard saying it himself, unless of course you know more about the fight than Sugar Ray?

https://www.google.com/search?q=sugar+r ... blSJE,st:0

And just in case you don't believe the clip here is another one


https://www.google.com/search?q=sugar+r ... gScbA,st:0



As for a fighter losing weight s opposed to gaining weight for a fight here is what AI says.

AI Overview
It is generally easier for a boxer to gain weight for a fight than it is to lose it, especially in the short term. Gaining weight is a matter of eating more calories and protein, and can be done through a strategic diet and weightlifting program. Losing weight is a more complex and often dangerous process involving extreme methods like dehydration to shed water weight quickly, which can negatively impact a fighter's strength and performance if not managed properly. 

Sounds like you're the one who doesn't have a clue of what he is talking about.

As you were.

The second bout between Hearns and Leonard was in 1989 and was at Supermiddleweight, it was a draw, how the hell is that Hearn beating a prime Leonard. Have a day off, that's embarrassing. 

The first fight was for the undisputed Welterweight title, not light middle like you claim, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. 

All fighters lose weight in a training camp to fight at their naturally weight, but that;'s not what you are talking about, you claim it's easier to put muscle on and fight a naturally bigger guy at his own weight, you are talking complete and utter bollocks (I've done both)  and if AI is the best you can come up with, you really can't claim to know shit about boxing. 

 

 

 

 

Hearns was ahead of Leonard on points when they first fought, even Angelo Dundee told Leonard he was "blowing it " in his corner. Yeah he caught Hearns at the end but the fact remains Hearns was out boxing him for most of the fight, I'll refer you to the Judges scorecards for verification.

Read the thread you will see I corrected the weight they fought at in the first fight to welterweight. 

I brought AI in to it because I don't want to argue with some twat who thinks he's the oracle of boxing.


Not gonna go round and around with you on losing weight "for a fight" as has been said It's common knowledge, not gonna let you twist my words so you can save face, it's obvious you are wrong.

Now go take a lie down ffs!

[Council Scum]

Oh no, I'd seen it all those years ago just not recently and wanted to see how 1 sided it was the way you've banged on about it like it was clearly a robbery. Without watching it back yet my memory of it was of a good contest but ultimately it was Calzaghe that proved he was still the winner that night. But maybe my memory is playing tricks on me so cheers for posting it up and I'll give it a watch.

If you'd watched the fight, you'd know all about it, you didn't, because you don't know the first thing about the fight game. 

"Clearly lost" "Absolutely robbed"

I think it's you that needs to have another good watch of your video fella..

I've watched it countless times, its one they show you on judging courses, hope you enjoyed watching it for the first time.

[Council Scum]

On my lunch break and finally been able to get round to watching it..

At least 3 of the first 4 rounds to Calzaghe. Even from the very 1st round Calzaghe had marked Reid on his left cheek needing work on it.

Reid holding on to Calzaghe a lot, even to the point at one stage of grabbing his leg ffs! Also kept twisting his arm up in holds. 5th Round - Reid arguably could have been deducted a point for persistent holding that was followed up by a muggy sucker punch right in front of the Ref who was trying to split them apart giving Reid a right bollocking for it. Reid then bangs him hard on the back of the head in a hold like a dirty cսnt who is showing signs of a frustrated Boxer. Calzaghe smashes him clean at another point then winks at his corner clearly enjoying himself that much in control of the fight as Reid holds on yet again for dear life. 6th Round Calzaghe manages to open up a cut on Reids other cheek now. 

By comparison Calzaghe at this stage is unmarked, whilst Reids got marked up on both sides of his face with Calzaghe clearly on top with Reid fortunate to not get deducted a point with how he's acted in there using dirty tactics trying to unsettle Calzaghe but to no effect.

Every judge gave Reid the first round and two gave him 2 of the first 4, you don't have a clue about judging a fight. 

[Massive Attack]

Oh no, I'd seen it all those years ago just not recently and wanted to see how 1 sided it was the way you've banged on about it like it was clearly a robbery. Without watching it back yet my memory of it was of a good contest but ultimately it was Calzaghe that proved he was still the winner that night. But maybe my memory is playing tricks on me so cheers for posting it up and I'll give it a watch.

If you'd watched the fight, you'd know all about it, you didn't, because you don't know the first thing about the fight game. 

"Clearly lost" "Absolutely robbed"

I think it's you that needs to have another good watch of your video fella..

[Council Scum]

Oh no, I'd seen it all those years ago just not recently and wanted to see how 1 sided it was the way you've banged on about it like it was clearly a robbery. Without watching it back yet my memory of it was of a good contest but ultimately it was Calzaghe that proved he was still the winner that night. But maybe my memory is playing tricks on me so cheers for posting it up and I'll give it a watch.

If you'd watched the fight, you'd know all about it, you didn't, because you don't know the first thing about the fight game. 

[Massive Attack]

In the 7th not much in it apart from the Ref yet again warning Reid about his persistent holding. 8th Reid warned about a headbutt this time from the Ref who's having to constantly warn him all match about his muggy rough shithousery he's doing as he clearly cannot outbox Calzaghe. Reid finally does get a point deducted in the end for hitting below the belt with 2 consecutive low blows. His behaviour at times has been out of order during this match. Calzaghe on the other hand hasn't had to resort to it showing who was the more classy and better Boxer on the night, just like so many times during his career. 

Calzaghes chin is granite eating up the occasional punch that does get through to him and still look unfazed carrying on. 

Reid does finish well later in the fight but still not enough to either win or draw the fight. Only 1 fighter was unmarked whilst the other looked battered taking heavier cleaner shots to the face, as well as not resorting to so many of the dirty tactics of Reid trying every trick in the book to try and get his own way but the Ref was on to him. Calzaghe just relied on his boxing skills to defeat him. 

Ian Darke mentions the Computer had Calzaghe leading in punches in the 10th, then level on landed punches in the 11th and Calzaghe landed more in the final round. Even Reids face at the end of the fight compared to Calzaghes tells it's own story as well. 

Calzaghe wins that fight and don't see evidence of a robbery. The correct and better Boxer won.