Crapaqueta

[THUNDERCLINT]

Hopefully that's the last we see of the overhyped cսnt.

Out the door 1st Jan.

[honky cat]

Without going over the same old he's been disappointing. I honestly can't think of a single wow game 9 or 10/10 performance. Jarrod has put a good few in, Summerville had one even. And even mavro when we beat arsenal a couple of years ago. Soucek has brought us back from the dead many times. Nothing memorable stands out for me, aside from the pass in Prague, which to be fair was top draw.

[the exile]

It's certainly been a rollercoaster ride with Paqueta and it has become a complicated issue - far from being en easy, black and white decision as to whether to play him or drop him, keep him or sell him. 
I completely agree with Gank about his unseen hard work - he certainly isn't lazy or a shirker. For me, the negatives are his infuriating tendency to lose possession, often in dangerous areas - he never seems to show any inclination to learn from this. Then there's the fact that the goals and decisive passes are too few and far between. So overall, I have to say I won't be sorry to see him either dropped or sold. Shame his value will have plummeted since City were after him. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

Isn't Paq utilised wide left for Brasil?

Agreed, Fernandes is a keeper.
 

[Eerie Decent]

I've always been an advocate, up until very recently, he is one of the few genuine match winners we have.

However, as the situation we're in is now critical, the off days seem to be becoming the norm, and I would rather another quick forward player in the squad over him. Fernandes in the 10 position moving forward, with pace added up top and out wide, makes us a better team.

[dealcanvey]

You just dont know what you are going to get with him.

I thought he was great against Brighton. Against Villa he was our worst player.

Saw a stat that he misplaced 9 passes and lost the ball 16 times.

Nuno playing 4 cms to accommodate him. 

Capable of brilliance but also capable of being a massive liability. 

Think we are better off selling in Jan if we can and using the money for a ST.

[Massive Attack]

I actually think he’s better when he’s deeper.







 

Problem is, play him deeper then we risk what happened for their 2nd goal that let them back in the game happening more often. Any way we slice it, he's now more of a liability than he is a real asset to the Team. We have carried him for far too long as it is since that Final, 2 and a half long years ago now of the same shit. It's not like the Club and fans haven't shown faith and stuck by him either, he's been absolutely spoilt in that regard. And how does he repay that loyalty? By getting himself 2 suspensions and gifting goals away when we needed him the most now the FA Case has long finished. Cheers for that, Paqueta..

[Gary Strodders shank]

If you are looking at it in terms of risk and reward the rewards don't warrant the risk of him giving the ball away in key areas or throwing his toys out of the pram and getting sent off these days.

I think Fernandes could be a real star for us and he seems to have a decent attitude and temperament to boot.

He may well flourish further when Paqueta departs.

For me it's all about his woes and injustices and not enough about the club he represents.

He isn't no Di Canio as far as the refs are concerned and as far as any bias does go he merely plays into their hands.

It's about time he woke up and smelt the coffee.

The position we are in requires discipline and cool heads not loose cannon's.


 

[Nick QQQ2]

He’s a bit of a myth if you ask me.  I’ve never seen him as an exciting player who unlocks games, far from it.  I actually think he’s better when he’s deeper.
in terms of his creativity our play breaks down more with him in the team, mainly because he always trys the difficult final ball.  It was the same again yesterday apart from Bowens off side goal.  Playing dunks into the box that never hit their target.
if he left I’m not sure there would be many sad to see him go.

[Gank]

I'm probably too old school to use West Ham forums (fora?) these days, I support West Ham for love and entertainment and really loved our time in the Championship so risky flair players letting us down and getting us off our seats in equal measures is as important to me as the grafters whereas tourists and the sort of West Ham supporters who live on the internet these days would be happier with those same grafters I value but swapping the flair players for a load of cloggers and ball holders if it guaranteed survival.

I'm the same. I'm not schlepping across the city every other week in hope of glory as much as being entertained and I lament the days of the maverick footballers and humour among the fans. But Paqueta ain't it. He might have been when he first arrived, but it's been a long, long time now since he has had a run of entertaining games. I am happy for him to fuck up or lose his head as long as the net contribution is positive. He's not entertaining more than he is frustrating and he isn't picking out and making more sublime through balls than he is giving the ball away. So it's not "equal measure" at all; he's sapping both the success of the team and my enjoyment of watching them.

Nobody likes Sullivan but he does get an easy ride by sanctioning more Igor Julio's and Max Kilmans  than Paolo Di Canios and Lucas Paquetas

No way Paqueta's comparable to Di Canio, if that's what you're implying. Even in terms of their respective antics with the ref.

You do make a good point, I suppose what I'm saying is that every West Ham team needs to have a skilled nut case like this but also like you said, the rest of the team need more reliability due to our league position and apart from Bowen and maybe Areola, they're just not good enough, especially in defence, to afford anyone less than 'always reliable'.

I still say that he works so much harder than you see on the telly, but he does dive and his risky balls either a)give the ball away (50%) b) are amazing and result in a goal opportunity (10%)  or c) are amazing but his team mates can't make use of it (40%) so I do understand why people might not want him starting right now even if that means Soucek has to, but I'll never get my head around people wanting him gone out of the club. That sounds like we're resigned to always being in this struggle.

[Sir Alf]

Not the safe, solid reliable battler needed in a relegation fight. Too many costly errors giving the ball away and not enough creativity to balance that out to be starting every game. But look at the squad, who replaces him?   

Thats why Earthy should be on the bench? Hes the best player in the U21s ( ahead if Kante imo ) and can play that role. Scarles might be the other option. 

[wils]

I'm probably too old school to use West Ham forums (fora?) these days, I support West Ham for love and entertainment and really loved our time in the Championship so risky flair players letting us down and getting us off our seats in equal measures is as important to me as the grafters whereas tourists and the sort of West Ham supporters who live on the internet these days would be happier with those same grafters I value but swapping the flair players for a load of cloggers and ball holders if it guaranteed survival.

I'm the same. I'm not schlepping across the city every other week in hope of glory as much as being entertained and I lament the days of the maverick footballers and humour among the fans. But Paqueta ain't it. He might have been when he first arrived, but it's been a long, long time now since he has had a run of entertaining games. I am happy for him to fuck up or lose his head as long as the net contribution is positive. He's not entertaining more than he is frustrating and he isn't picking out and making more sublime through balls than he is giving the ball away. So it's not "equal measure" at all; he's sapping both the success of the team and my enjoyment of watching them.

Nobody likes Sullivan but he does get an easy ride by sanctioning more Igor Julio's and Max Kilmans  than Paolo Di Canios and Lucas Paquetas

No way Paqueta's comparable to Di Canio, if that's what you're implying. Even in terms of their respective antics with the ref.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games  

In his last 94 matches in 2 and a half seasons he has made 7 assists and just 3 of those games we won - Luton, Wolves and Ten Hags woeful Man Utd. That's not just bad, it's horrific end product. 

As good as he was for that 1 excellent assist in the ECL Final against Fiorentina (look where they are now), it's a myth he's some kind of quality creative goal making Footballer at the top level.

Living off hype and showboating style rather than substance to go with it. The likes of Di Canio and Payet could actually back up their flair with consistent end product. Paqueta does it once in a blue moon years apart.

Yep

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games but we need him to work hard and keep the ball and not lose it and put a brittle defence like ours under pressure by losing it, especially given out predicament. We should have sold him in retrospect. I wonder if there is any legal blowback on the FA whose years long dithering on his betting scandal has seen his value likely plummet to under half what Man City were once going to pay. I reckon we'd be lucky to get 20M for him in a relegation fire sale. 

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He's a  match of the day effort  ...at best









. ...at best 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

[quote=Gank post_id=502581 time=1765743715 user_id=32853]
He also played the most impressive pass of the entire match, the through ball to Bowen who lazily didn't bother getting onside properly so the goal was chalked off, which will have delighted you and your assist stats for Paqueta.
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[justify]Paqueta's  stats are pretty damning over his time at the club ...and that's being generous .
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[Massive Attack]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games  

In his last 94 matches in 2 and a half seasons he has made 7 assists and just 3 of those games we won - Luton, Wolves and Ten Hags woeful Man Utd. That's not just bad, it's horrific end product. 

As good as he was for that 1 excellent assist in the ECL Final against Fiorentina (look where they are now), it's a myth he's some kind of quality creative goal making Footballer at the top level.

Living off hype and showboating style rather than substance to go with it. The likes of Di Canio and Payet could actually back up their flair with consistent end product. Paqueta does it once in a blue moon years apart.

[nychammer]

he's the type of luxury player that we can do without right now. Yes he can make passes that score you goals and win you games but we need him to work hard and keep the ball and not lose it and put a brittle defence like ours under pressure by losing it, especially given out predicament. We should have sold him in retrospect. I wonder if there is any legal blowback on the FA whose years long dithering on his betting scandal has seen his value likely plummet to under half what Man City were once going to pay. I reckon we'd be lucky to get 20M for him in a relegation fire sale. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Not the sort you need in a relegation dog fight.
Flatters to deceive most of the time...and a fucking liability a lot of the time.
Braindead cսnt

[Gank]

Replace him with Ward-Prowse whose safety-first passing makes for much better statistics 

[Massive Attack]

[twoleftfeet]

Oh come on he was anonymous the whole game! Waste of fucking space. 

Frustrating as his mistake was you can't really accuse him of being anonymous.  

That was slightly harsh of me. He did try but he just doesn’t seem to have a pass or goal in him anymore. I think a fresh start is best for all parties. 

[Tomshardware]

Oh come on he was anonymous the whole game! Waste of fucking space. 

Frustrating as his mistake was you can't really accuse him of being anonymous.  

[Massive Attack]

He also played the most impressive pass of the entire match, the through ball to Bowen who lazily didn't bother getting onside properly so the goal was chalked off, which will have delighted you and your assist stats for Paqueta.

So a moment that didn't count is the best we can now hope for from Paqueta against a moment that did for Villa? Time to sell and get what we can and move on from him.

He's become a serious liability in the side now, if it aint gifting the opposition equalisers, it's getting himself suspended, not just once but twice after just 13 League games as soon as he just came back. 

[Gank]

I've become increasingly disillusioned with him over the pasty couple of seasons.

I'm not convinced his heart is in it with us despite all the badge stuff when he scores 

If it wasn't for the betting probe he would be at Man city and now his stock has fallen further he won't be attracting the kind of elite clubs he clearly thought he was destined for a couple of seasons ago.

That is his frustration with refs and the FA and for me his actions against Liverpool were disrespectful to the occasion the club and it's fans.

He is player who divides opinion and clearly has the ability but simply doesn't show it enough plus his decision making and temperament make him a liability for me nowadays 





 

 

 

Hard to argue against that, although if we understand his frustration at the FA and refs who almost ruined his life, I won't let the occasion of Liverpool affect my judgement of him as he's a young Brazilian bloke, he won't have appreciated the gravity of Bonds' death.

I'm probably too old school to use West Ham forums (fora?) these days, I support West Ham for love and entertainment and really loved our time in the Championship so risky flair players letting us down and getting us off our seats in equal measures is as important to me as the grafters whereas tourists and the sort of West Ham supporters who live on the internet these days would be happier with those same grafters I value but swapping the flair players for a load of cloggers and ball holders if it guaranteed survival.

Nobody likes Sullivan but he does get an easy ride by sanctioning more Igor Julio's and Max Kilmans  than Paolo Di Canios and Lucas Paquetas

[twoleftfeet]

Oh come on he was anonymous the whole game! Waste of fucking space. 

[Gary Strodders shank]

I've become increasingly disillusioned with him over the pasty couple of seasons.

I'm not convinced his heart is in it with us despite all the badge stuff when he scores 

If it wasn't for the betting probe he would be at Man city and now his stock has fallen further he won't be attracting the kind of elite clubs he clearly thought he was destined for a couple of seasons ago.

That is his frustration with refs and the FA and for me his actions against Liverpool were disrespectful to the occasion the club and it's fans.

He is player who divides opinion and clearly has the ability but simply doesn't show it enough plus his decision making and temperament make him a liability for me nowadays