West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[GBHammer63]

 

We will obviously lose on Tuesday, but Dysche isn't that great a manager. Forest will stay up due to our ineptitude, rather than Dysche's skill. It was only last January he was sacked by Everon, 1 point above the relegation zone, after 3 wins in 19 matches. Moyes, with conspicous ease, took  those same players to safety and with some summer 2025 additions has maintained them in mid table.

Mate, I’m not saying Dyche is anything special in fact he’s not much at all, merely pointing out he’s a lot more passionate than our clown who spent his last 45 minutes sitting with his arms crossed, only getting up in the last minute to scratch his arse and fuck off down the tunnel.

Is his passion working? 

Better than Nuno’s, grow up.

[Come On You Irons]

Forest is last chance saloon for me. Fail to win that and we are effectively done and can start preparing for the Championship.

Win it and we are only one point behind them, albeit with an inferior goal difference, with 17 games to go.

[Sir Alf]

Sorry Fortunes I know its obsessive but again I see its still part of the problem. Improved but still there. Potts, Fernandes, Magassa while so much better than Soucek, Guido, JWP and Irvine as options, Im thinking Potts and Magassa a bit too similar and Magassa slightly quicker but any combination not compensating for a player who covers the ground like Rice.  We need another player in there who battles, runs all day. Villa yesterday, Kamars did not stop and was everywhere and so strong, Rodgers and Mcginn too. Our lot seem eecond to everything and sometimes too lightweight.

Although I do obviously realise that CB area is the priority now we have got some forwards, Ive alwsys believed a strong midfield is key since most of the game is played there.  

Btw, my obsession for pace goes back before Rice. I can remember discussing it in the days if Kovac and Konnate.  I will seek help but fear Im incurable

[XKhammer]

Half the season still to go, peeps.

A bit more shrewd business and I fancy us to do it.

I like your optimism,but yesterday's defeat does feel like game over

[Fortunes Hiding]

Sorry, asking Alf

[Fortunes Hiding]

I’ve not read you post, but do you talk about lack of pace in the middle?  You might have mentioned that before 

[nychammer]

Half the season still to go, peeps.

A bit more shrewd business and I fancy us to do it.

 

 

based on what, exactly?  I'm looking at the last 3 games and see no hope. I'm looking at the way we strolled to defeat in a must win game and see no hope.   We signed a striker in time for Wolves and didn't play him.  Club is rotten to the core. 

[Sir Alf]

Ferret ever the contrarian or less kind just obtuse?

To be fair to you, transfers in are the only factor in all this that that could / might be a positive. But its a slim chance. We are paying for potential wiyh this Pablo geezer, the lad from Lazio is not a goalscorer more of an assist man which might help but he wont get the time and space of Seria A. Mctominay is a superstar there but  was just a decent, above average Prem player. Id take that though currently.

The real issues now are defending. CBs mostly but yesterday was alarming as it also, for me, exposed the ongoing lack of pace and pressing. Ok Nuno or Robdon does not coach us to press but the space Wolves had with their runners from midfield was criminal. Factor in the ineptitude or limitations of the CBs and edpecially Kilman who is just too slow in thinking and movement, and I cannot see any game where we wont concede.

Forest play deep block and fast counter like is but have players better suited to it. They are not great but by sitting deep in numbers will draw us onto them and yhen counter to exploit the space we leave.

Rice used to rescue us so many times and we just gave not replaced him. Potts and Magassa are decent squad men, technically good bit both half a yard short to be like Rice was. 

Miracle needed hence highly unlikely we survive

[Mad Ferret]

Half the season still to go, peeps.

A bit more shrewd business and I fancy us to do it.

[twoleftfeet]

Honestly, I’m hoping Leeds win against MU today, love the way they press and play. They deserve to escape the drop zone, on Tuesday we will see our latest attempt at shooting ourselves in the foot, against an arguably more defensive manager than we’ve got albeit with a fucking ton more passion. Fed up of pretty much everything to do with this club, and that’s after over 50 years of supporting them. Sullivan and Brady have spent since 93 perfecting their grift and unfortunately for us it’s the only thing the failures are good at. 

 

We will obviously lose on Tuesday, but Dysche isn't that great a manager. Forest will stay up due to our ineptitude, rather than Dysche's skill. It was only last January he was sacked by Everon, 1 point above the relegation zone, after 3 wins in 19 matches. Moyes, with conspicous ease, took  those same players to safety and with some summer 2025 additions has maintained them in mid table.

Mate, I’m not saying Dyche is anything special in fact he’s not much at all, merely pointing out he’s a lot more passionate than our clown who spent his last 45 minutes sitting with his arms crossed, only getting up in the last minute to scratch his arse and fuck off down the tunnel.

Is his passion working? 

[GBHammer63]

Honestly, I’m hoping Leeds win against MU today, love the way they press and play. They deserve to escape the drop zone, on Tuesday we will see our latest attempt at shooting ourselves in the foot, against an arguably more defensive manager than we’ve got albeit with a fucking ton more passion. Fed up of pretty much everything to do with this club, and that’s after over 50 years of supporting them. Sullivan and Brady have spent since 93 perfecting their grift and unfortunately for us it’s the only thing the failures are good at. 

 

We will obviously lose on Tuesday, but Dysche isn't that great a manager. Forest will stay up due to our ineptitude, rather than Dysche's skill. It was only last January he was sacked by Everon, 1 point above the relegation zone, after 3 wins in 19 matches. Moyes, with conspicous ease, took  those same players to safety and with some summer 2025 additions has maintained them in mid table.

Mate, I’m not saying Dyche is anything special in fact he’s not much at all, merely pointing out he’s a lot more passionate than our clown who spent his last 45 minutes sitting with his arms crossed, only getting up in the last minute to scratch his arse and fuck off down the tunnel.

[El Scorchio]

I can't be bothered to get annoyed about it, I was yesterday during the game and a short while after, probably will be Tuesday again. You should all put it away till then, better for your mental health. 

The manner of the defeat was one that you just don’t get angry about. I got angry about the Fulham one because it was a late single goal but this one it was clear we were on for a heavy defeat from the 5 minute mark. You just switch off and stop caring. Like a self protection mechanism. 

[Westside]

Honestly, I’m hoping Leeds win against MU today, love the way they press and play. They deserve to escape the drop zone, on Tuesday we will see our latest attempt at shooting ourselves in the foot, against an arguably more defensive manager than we’ve got albeit with a fucking ton more passion. Fed up of pretty much everything to do with this club, and that’s after over 50 years of supporting them. Sullivan and Brady have spent since 93 perfecting their grift and unfortunately for us it’s the only thing the failures are good at. 

 

 

We will obviously lose on Tuesday, but Dysche isn't that great a manager. Forest will stay up due to our ineptitude, rather than Dysche's skill. It was only last January he was sacked by Everon, 1 point above the relegation zone, after 3 wins in 19 matches. Moyes, with conspicous ease, took  those same players to safety and with some summer 2025 additions has maintained them in mid table.

[fraser]

I can't be bothered to get annoyed about it, I was yesterday during the game and a short while after, probably will be Tuesday again. You should all put it away till then, better for your mental health. 

[onsideman]

Yesterday was depressing and confidence shattering, but it didn't really change our league relegation position much.
We remain 4 points behind Forest and 2 points ahead of Burnley. We are 6 points ahead of Wolves.

That's a patently ridiculous comment
Had we won we'd be 1 point behind Forest. How is that not a positive change? Absurd

[GBHammer63]

Honestly, I’m hoping Leeds win against MU today, love the way they press and play. They deserve to escape the drop zone, on Tuesday we will see our latest attempt at shooting ourselves in the foot, against an arguably more defensive manager than we’ve got albeit with a fucking ton more passion. Fed up of pretty much everything to do with this club, and that’s after over 50 years of supporting them. Sullivan and Brady have spent since 93 perfecting their grift and unfortunately for us it’s the only thing the failures are good at. 

[Massive Attack]

Yesterday was depressing and confidence shattering, but it didn't really change our league relegation position much.
We remain 4 points behind Forest and 2 points ahead of Burnley. We are 6 points ahead of Wolves.

If we think about it, had Burnley beaten Brighton yesterday in a winnable game for them, they could have gone above us. we are still relying on others around us to fuck up their results and that only lasts so long.

[gpike]

Yesterday was depressing and confidence shattering, but it didn't really change our league relegation position much.
We remain 4 points behind Forest and 2 points ahead of Burnley. We are 6 points ahead of Wolves.

I tend to agree. As long as we don't lose to Forest we're still in with a sniff. Of course, a win is really needed ASAP

I saw the Villa Forest game and Dyche low block bollocks was at play however, they have a better team than us work harder especially at the back and will go for the throat against us ... We will most likely lose

[stubbo-admin]

Yesterday was depressing and confidence shattering, but it didn't really change our league relegation position much.
We remain 4 points behind Forest and 2 points ahead of Burnley. We are 6 points ahead of Wolves.

I tend to agree. As long as we don't lose to Forest we're still in with a sniff. Of course, a win is really needed ASAP

[Come On You Irons]

Yesterday was depressing and confidence shattering, but it didn't really change our league relegation position much.
We remain 4 points behind Forest and 2 points ahead of Burnley. We are 6 points ahead of Wolves.

We are effectively 5 points behind Forest with our woeful goal difference which took another pounding yesterday.

Fail to beat Forest on Tuesday and we can forget about staying up.

[Mex Martillo]

Yesterday was depressing and confidence shattering, but it didn't really change our league relegation position much.
We remain 4 points behind Forest and 2 points ahead of Burnley. We are 6 points ahead of Wolves.

[kinglewy]

Nuno should take a couple of the suoporters who travelled up to Wolves into the changing room before the Forest game. They can tell the bunch of overpaid, don’t care useless tossers what they really think of them.

[Sir Alf]

Bless you all. Its over, let it go fir ur mental healths sake.

We will imo almost certainly lose to Forest based on watching their game with Villa yesterday. They have pace with the likes of Gibbs White in midfield Hudson Odoi out wide etc and were very very hard to break down with10 behind the ball. It took a great Watkins shot from distance and then Forest had to come out and play.    We cannot break anyone down who sits deep and are highly vulnerable to pace. Forest had a lad leading the line who caused Konsa and Villa defence problems in the air and deck.

No way they dont score with Kilman playing. Hes completely fallen apart.  Our midfield is relying on Fernandes, Potts and Magassa being very good every game just to compete and yesterday they left big holes by not being quick enough to get across and track or just not aware. Against teams that break fast in numbers as Wolves did we are goimg to concede chances and goals.

Nuno is another “paint by numbers” manager who uses a limited number of formations and tactics based on defence first. At home he will use a back 4 which with our CBs is highly vulnerable and 4 in midfield which usually competes ok and Paqueta might help but only if played on the left. Hes a liability centrally. 

Only very small hope is that the new signings miraculously instantly click and have nonissue with the increase in pace and intensity of the PL.  Highly unlikely. 

Miracle would be a new CB and. pacy/strong centre mid before Forest, Todibo back, and aforementioned players already signed also hitting the ground running.  

Far too many issues and we are 2nd or 3rd worse team at home.  

Like I say, admire those that still hope but prefer realism. We are going down


 

[El Scorchio]

We're not quite done yet.
Lose to Forest and we definitely are.
We are rapidly catching up Wolves in negative goal difference.
The only hope is if Forest completely fall to bits for the rest of the season, I cannot see any of the other teams being remotely in touch.

The only saving graces at the moment are everyone else down there is losing as often as us - Wolves are the only team in the bottom 4 showing any upward trend in performance and now results - we have four starters to come back in, and the transfer window is open. 

Yesterday's team is definitely going down.  Upgrade a few of them with returners and signings and then hope we're four points better than Forest from the last 17/18 games.

 

 

I agree. It’s barmy we are not cut adrift properly yet. We keep getting lifelines, as bad as we are. Even after all this all it takes is a win on Tuesday and we are back with something tangible to chase. As they say it’s the hope that kills you. Unless Todibo is back I see no way we don’t ship at least 2-3 goals. Our defence isn’t even championship standard. It’s THAT bad what Moyes, Lop and Potter and SULLIVAN assembled. I cannot believe how bad Max Kilman is as a defender, just absolute shit. I couldn’t see a pub side buying him off us at the moment. The bloke is dreadful. 40 million quid…. We’ve signed some absolute shit over the years but he is the very worst of the worst. 

[stubbo-admin]

As was stated in the match thread by Mex, we have three remaining targets for the season:

- Get 5 pts more than Forest over the next 18 games
- Get 1 pt LESS than Burnley
- Get 7 pts LESS than Wolves.

Those are the only targets now.  Shows just how important the game against Forest is on Tuesday.  Win that, and it's outperform them by 2 pts over 17 games. Lose that, and it's 8 pts over 17 games.

Huge huge game. Everyone pretty much still has to play everyone. So it's a pretty level playing field if somehow we shithouse a win against Forest on Tuesday.