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[Come On You Irons]

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[wils]

When l said finish him l should have said more the Republican party,As thick as he is even he wouldn't dare before the mid terms take Greenland 
He has given the green light to Russia and China to be bullies as well
If he takes Greenland thats the end of NATO 
l have no problem him taking MADuro and bombing drug cartels,but Greenland is not a dictatorship or mafia run country 
Basically you saying he wouldn't blink is admitting hes a dictator 

Not quite. He wouldn't blink because he doesn't care about Europeans, not that he doesn't care about democracy. He doesn't care about NATO. Greenland is more important to him. If taking Greenland upsets the Europeans he will just shrug and say, "what yer going to do about it?". There is nothing Europe can do. It's too weak.

This is the thing. You watch politicians standing up in parliament yesterday asking Yvette Cooper questions after her statement to the house about Venezuala, and they are all asking her to stand-up for the "rules based order" and "international law". She can't stand for it. How can she? If people ignore it, what can she (Britain) do? How can we enforce it? They just ignore us. It's over now. Might is power. International law was a post-war idea that has expired.

So when working out what a state can or can't do, forget international law and forget what is right or wrong. It's about what that state is able to do and what is in its interests. That is all.

Russia and China having been acting like this for years already. 

[XKhammer]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

I believe he's also in favour of castrated men in wigs fiddling with little girls in women's toilets.

Like joyo.

You mean Oxbore as I've made clear on here I'm transphobic and agree there are 3 genders...male,female and mental illness 

No surprises you once again have again brought up a sexual angle to the debate...wrong un

[XKhammer]

 

Agree with you point about China,India and Russia but if you think Trump is going invade Greenland you're wrong because as thick as Trump is he knows that would finish him internationally and at home

 

We'll see. Personally I don't see there is anything to 'finish' him. Finished where? Electorally? He isn't standing again. Finished in terms of allies? The US is so powerful that Trump doesn't need anyone's approval. The only constraints on him are the laws of physics. He has already said that he doesn't care about NATO so collapsing that won't mean anything to him.

He will do a simple calculation. What means more to the US? The NATO alliance or the rare earth minerals in Greenland. He won't even blink answering that.

Britain and the Europeans are living in a dreamland thinking that international law still matters to anyone. Britain and Europe are weak and there is nothing either of them can to enforce international law. We need realise this and start thinking how we protect ourselves and our interests in this new world. 

When l said finish him l should have said more the Republican party,As thick as he is even he wouldn't dare before the mid terms take Greenland 
He has given the green light to Russia and China to be bullies as well
If he takes Greenland thats the end of NATO 
l have no problem him taking MADuro and bombing drug cartels,but Greenland is not a dictatorship or mafia run country 
Basically you saying he wouldn't blink is admitting hes a dictator 

[THUNDERCLINT]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

I believe he's also in favour of castrated men in wigs fiddling with little girls in women's toilets.

Like joyo.

[F 129 Row66]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

[Cabbige Savage]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Hello firend. You at bench?

[wils]

 

Agree with you point about China,India and Russia but if you think Trump is going invade Greenland you're wrong because as thick as Trump is he knows that would finish him internationally and at home

 

 

We'll see. Personally I don't see there is anything to 'finish' him. Finished where? Electorally? He isn't standing again. Finished in terms of allies? The US is so powerful that Trump doesn't need anyone's approval. The only constraints on him are the laws of physics. He has already said that he doesn't care about NATO so collapsing that won't mean anything to him.

He will do a simple calculation. What means more to the US? The NATO alliance or the rare earth minerals in Greenland. He won't even blink answering that.

Britain and the Europeans are living in a dreamland thinking that international law still matters to anyone. Britain and Europe are weak and there is nothing either of them can to enforce international law. We need realise this and start thinking how we protect ourselves and our interests in this new world. 

[,]

In truth the so called international rules have been broken regularly over the years ignored by many countries in the west when they saw fit. Trump’s capturing of a tin pot dictator from a tin pot country is no big deal compared to the UK and France taking over the Suez Canal in 1956 and the he illegal invasion of Iraq in the Bush/Blair era.

Starmer referred to the restoration of democracy in Venezuela but that is not what the USA is after rather it wants a regime that is favourable to their long term interests. Be assured the USA has always had a fear of democracies within their sphere of influence.

The real problem that the other democracies of the world face is that certain leaders are feeling emboldened by the actions and words of the world’s most powerful democracy. I am confident that Trump will not get hold of Greenland but don’t be surprised if his ally in charge of Argentina gets more bullish about that county’s right to the Malvinas.

[THUNDERCLINT]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Cool.

No surprises you think rape is cool....wrong un 

Of course, you, a self confessed rapist of impoverished, disabled, 3rd World children would conclude that.

Says everything necessary about how your mind is broken.

[XKhammer]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Cool.

No surprises you think rape is cool....wrong un 

[THUNDERCLINT]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Cool.

[XKhammer]

We still have three more years of Trump's irrational behaviour and l think he's given up on getting the noble peace price
He's insane if he thinks he's gonna get Greenland 

He'll get Greenland and there will be nothing anyone can do about it. There will be a bunch of liberals standing up in European parliaments bleating about how America and other nations should respect the 'rules based order' and 'international law' but offer nothing at all about how they will (or can) enforce international law.

And if you think things will go back to normal when Trump's mandate is over, you need to look at the polls for 2028 JD Vance v Newsom https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/ ... -vs-newsom

Even if Vance lost. China, India and Russia have abandoned the Rules based order long ago. You can't apply international law just to the West when everyone else ignores it.

The post-war rules based order is over. There is nothing anyone can do about that. We need to think about how we survive in that world and who we build alliances with and what we have to offer to any alliance. 

Agree with you point about China,India and Russia but if you think Trump is going invade Greenland you're wrong because as thick as Trump is he knows that would finish him internationally and at home

[XKhammer]

Russia are obliged to ‘protest’ but obviously won’t do anything 
Part of Trump & Putins deal
Putin gets the resources of Ukraine which they share with Trump & Trump gets Venezuela’s oil and then likely the resources of Greenland 
The final part is Trump gets his Moscow hotel piss video back & Putin helps neutralise the Epstein evidence
Game over

And there's me thinking the conspiracy theorists loons were just the thicko naive right wing bible bashers

[One Sunny Day]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

[Fauxstralian]

Russia are obliged to ‘protest’ but obviously won’t do anything 
Part of Trump & Putins deal
Putin gets the resources of Ukraine which they share with Trump & Trump gets Venezuela’s oil and then likely the resources of Greenland 
The final part is Trump gets his Moscow hotel piss video back & Putin helps neutralise the Epstein evidence
Game over

[Far Cough UKunt]

Referring to the Maduro thing Russia's ambassador, Vassili Nebenzia, accused the US of "international banditry" and "neo-colonialism and imperialism".

ag ag ag ag irony not a thing in Russia?

[wils]

We still have three more years of Trump's irrational behaviour and l think he's given up on getting the noble peace price
He's insane if he thinks he's gonna get Greenland 

He'll get Greenland and there will be nothing anyone can do about it. There will be a bunch of liberals standing up in European parliaments bleating about how America and other nations should respect the 'rules based order' and 'international law' but offer nothing at all about how they will (or can) enforce international law.

And if you think things will go back to normal when Trump's mandate is over, you need to look at the polls for 2028 JD Vance v Newsom https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/ ... -vs-newsom

Even if Vance lost. China, India and Russia have abandoned the Rules based order long ago. You can't apply international law just to the West when everyone else ignores it.

The post-war rules based order is over. There is nothing anyone can do about that. We need to think about how we survive in that world and who we build alliances with and what we have to offer to any alliance. 

[twoleftfeet]

Meanwhile back in the UK the Palestinian embassy was opened. We now have a terrorist organisation set up in London with the government’s approval.

[XKhammer]

We still have three more years of Trump's irrational behaviour and l think he's given up on getting the noble peace price
He's insane if he thinks he's gonna get Greenland 

[zebthecat]

So Trump is now setting his sights on annexing Greenland next.

I'm no lefty, but Trump's behaviour is becoming very unhinged to me. It's concerning that he wants to annex a part of sovereign European territory. He's no better than Putin if he does.

Sovereign NATO territory at that.

[goose]

all about the petro-dollar innit.

the US cannot allow the chance of 300bn barrels being sold in anything other than USD. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

I have no axe to grind with either Ox or XK but fuck me, can't a day go by without the same accusations and insults being traded?

I reckon they must be best mates away from here and have concocted a routine to see how much they can bore/ piss off the rest of us.
There can be no other explanation as to why two adults would keep this up day after day, going round in the same circles.
Would be so easy to ignore one another or communicate privately but they seem determined to play this nonsense out in full view of the rest of us.
Very fucking odd.

Who said we was adults?

The raspberries you raped in Cambodia certainly weren't.

[Fauxstralian]

Trump invades Venezuela & kidnaps their oil … I mean President … & Starmer the KC can’t say if that’s in breach of international law
View must be difficult with your head up Trumps arse

Greenland next
Obviously part of a Carrick deal with Putin 
We will let you invade Ukraine & take their resources & you let us take Venezuela 

[Mike Oxsaw]

So Trump is now setting his sights on annexing Greenland next.

I'm no lefty, but Trump's behaviour is becoming very unhinged to me. It's concerning that he wants to annex a part of sovereign European territory. He's no better than Putin if he does.

If Trump's got any sense (which I seriously doubt) he'll do a "Hong Kong" on Greenland, leasing just enough to build a couple of fuck-off airfields and deep water harbours.

He knows money talks and will use that as a leverage.

[Come On You Irons]

So Trump is now setting his sights on annexing Greenland next.

I'm no lefty, but Trump's behaviour is becoming very unhinged to me. It's concerning that he wants to annex a part of sovereign European territory. He's no better than Putin if he does.