VAR

[Far Cough UKunt]

Interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... grx8ml7m0o

[threesixty]

I think 2 each is enough. 
only for things that lead to a goal. 
It brings some level of strategy to the game instead of some arbitrary randomness from officials. 

the upshot is you get the free flowing game back without the threat of VAR for every single thing. Big teams have the same query ability as small teams.  

most teams will soon learn that if you use it to query very obvious goals you won’t be able to use it when it really matters and you’d likely get something overturned. so it turns into part of the game itself. 

I think they are already trialing it in some lower league somewhere tbh. So it might actually happen someday. 

 

[Massive Attack]

Fuck the embarrassing septic inspired system off and get back to what made the game more enjoyable like instantaneous decisions that didn't disrupt the game.

[Fauxstralian]

Presumably no one would need 6 challenges
If you still had 4 left with injury time approaching you could use them to stop momentum 
Boot the ball out and then appeal against the award of an obvious throw in
4 times in 4 minutes

[Eerie Decent]

Additionally to that, if a challenge is proved correct, you don't lose a challenge presumably?

So we could end up with 10+ challenges in a game?

Clown.

[Eerie Decent]

You want 6 (SIX) guaranteed stops per game, to check on something specifically asked by managers/players?

Your ideas on football are fucking hilarious.

And what happens on the 6 (SIX) occasions? Do the managers/players decide when to stop the game?

Clown.

[Fauxstralian]

If you have a challenge who would you be appealing to?
Presumably not asking the referee to look at the screen & reconsider
No English referee will ever admit a mistake 

 

[threesixty]

Works well in other sports and I like it as a system but would be a lot harder to administer in football. In cricket, tennis, NFL and baseball where I'm familiar with them using some sort of challenge system, there's only one delivery, point, play or pitch to happen in isolation and react to, with natural breaks before and after. You don't get that in football. It's continuous and stopping play has consequences. I cannot see it not being abused, and I wonder who is responsible for 'challenging'. The manager could be 50 metres away, the captain could be further away. I think it's a really good way of reviewing things but I am not sure it works for football.

 

 

But the “continuous play” thing was what people said was sacred before VAR and then VAR came in and stopped that. So that boat has sailed in reality. The challenge system would be invoked by managers maybe twice a game only for issues leading to a goal and that will be it. Everything else is up to the ref and the linesmen as it was before VAR. 

The reason VAR is here has nothing to do with fans etc. it’s to do with how much money is at stake on the modern game. When you have Henry doing a blatant handball that stops Ireland going to a major final etc. or someone gets promoted / relegated on an obviously bad decision, well if it’s worth tens of hundreds of millions then the business of football want VAR. 

We need a way that’s equitable for the clubs to deal with that financial problem but still makes results determined by the players on the pitch and their managers rather than anyone else. 
in a perfect world we don’t even have refs! Kids don’t have refs around the park. there only there to make things fair. Being fair is all anyone’s should be trying to achieve. And VAR the way it’s implemented is not fair. 

[El Scorchio]

Works well in other sports and I like it as a system but would be a lot harder to administer in football. In cricket, tennis, NFL and baseball where I'm familiar with them using some sort of challenge system, there's only one delivery, point, play or pitch to happen in isolation and react to, with natural breaks before and after. You don't get that in football. It's continuous and stopping play has consequences. I cannot see it not being abused, and I wonder who is responsible for 'challenging'. The manager could be 50 metres away, the captain could be further away. I think it's a really good way of reviewing things but I am not sure it works for football.

[threesixty]

Whether it gets more decisions right is fucking irrelevant, it has made the game inarguably more shit, on so many levels.

I'd rather go down on the back of a heat of the moment incorrect referee decision, than an incorrect referee decision that stole away the instant emotion of a moment, took 5 minutes to pick apart every fucking thing that happened, and STILL come to the incorrect decision. 

Most of the wankers who watch football wanted it, most on here, i know that because i debated against it at the time. Franz Beckanbauer done a great write up on it and that it would be bad for the game.

Some plonker tried to suggest TENNIS rules on it. Tennis! Fucking hell. What chance have you got.

Football is about emotion. Scrap the whole fucking thing, it's been a disaster for the game.

 

 

I said “tennis”. It’s not tennis rules it’s the ability for each side to have a set number of queries for decisions they think are incorrect. Rather than a group of refs deciding what they want to revisit. that way you only call on VAR if you really think you’ve been wronged and you don’t want to waste that call. 

but you’re a bit silly so you won’t understand. I get it. It’s hard being emotional and dumb at the same time. My condolences.

[El Scorchio]

That change to offside doesn't help- it just changes where you measure from. There will still be loads of occasions where there's a tiny space and it's centimetres or even millimetres. You could introduce a margin of error, but it's still not going to change the face there's a defined line and defined body parts have to be behind it.

Yes, you can. You write a margin for error into the law (a toe length, if you want) and then enforce it rigorously without exception. No arguments because there's already a clearly defined margin of error.

There will be occasions when you're right up against the margin of error and it'll be a millimetre decision regardless. All you're doing is changing the problem slightly rather than solving it. If the margin is 5com, you'll still get occasions where it's 4.99cm or 5.01cm. Wherever you have to draw any line or border, not matter how thick, there will always be occasions when you're on it or over it.

[Fauxstralian]

The FA need to investigate the preponderance of GAY NORTHERN referees in the David Coote coterie 
I don’t think any referees are from London or the SE
We get nothing against Northern teams or teams with mainly GAY fans ie Brighton & Tottenham 

[Fauxstralian]

That’s not really an advantage is it ?
You want to give an advantage to people trying to score
I do anyway 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

The daylight rule at least encourages goals
If you are an inch beyond so be it
At the moment you have players level for all intents & purposes and the attacker has a toe or shoulder ahead and is called offside
Where exactly is the advantage they are gaining?

They are gaining a toeslength advantage. 

You're going down the ' a little bit pregnant' route.

[Westham67]

The FA should investigate its own referring officials, including VAR, for gambling and spot betting. We accept these inconsistencies week in week out, and there is no accountability for those who make expensive mistakes, other than a demotion for a short space of time

[Fauxstralian]

The daylight rule at least encourages goals
If you are an inch beyond so be it
At the moment you have players level for all intents & purposes and the attacker has a toe or shoulder ahead and is called offside
Where exactly is the advantage they are gaining?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

That change to offside doesn't help- it just changes where you measure from. There will still be loads of occasions where there's a tiny space and it's centimetres or even millimetres. You could introduce a margin of error, but it's still not going to change the face there's a defined line and defined body parts have to be behind it.

Yes, you can. You write a margin for error into the law (a toe length, if you want) and then enforce it rigorously without exception. No arguments because there's already a clearly defined margin of error.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

 

It got ruled out because it was deemed by the officials that the ball was deliberately played to Summerville rather than the ricochet that it was.

You have every bit of that the wrong way round. I'm fairly sure you haven't watched it, you Tottenham twat.

[El Scorchio]

That change to offside doesn't help- it just changes where you measure from. There will still be loads of occasions where there's a tiny space and it's centimetres or even millimetres. You could introduce a margin of error, but it's still not going to change the face there's a defined line and defined body parts have to be behind it.

Fair point but I still think it's ridiculous that you can be offside for a toe.  Did they try the "daylight" rule one year, can't remember?

It is but you do have to still draw a definitive line somewhere, which you can be millimetres one side or the other of. No idea re: daylight view but that's bloody hard to get right especially if the players aren't right next to each other. A lino is going to get a lot wrong and VAR would still have to draw lines. 

I'd keep it for offside and probably bin it for everything else. I do think it's mental that given what it is used for, it's not used for yellow cards (seen as a wrongly given one can lead to a dismissal later in the game or a wrongly NOT given one can lead to a player who shouldn't be on the pitch remaining there) or for diving. VAR could basically eliminate diving from the game very quickly indeed.

[Eerie Decent]

Whether it gets more decisions right is fucking irrelevant, it has made the game inarguably more shit, on so many levels.

I'd rather go down on the back of a heat of the moment incorrect referee decision, than an incorrect referee decision that stole away the instant emotion of a moment, took 5 minutes to pick apart every fucking thing that happened, and STILL come to the incorrect decision. 

Most of the wankers who watch football wanted it, most on here, i know that because i debated against it at the time. Franz Beckanbauer done a great write up on it and that it would be bad for the game.

Some plonker tried to suggest TENNIS rules on it. Tennis! Fucking hell. What chance have you got.

Football is about emotion. Scrap the whole fucking thing, it's been a disaster for the game.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Oh and put the fucking flag up IMMEDIATELY for offside not when the so called "phase" ends, one of these days someone's going to get a broken leg.

[zico]

That change to offside doesn't help- it just changes where you measure from. There will still be loads of occasions where there's a tiny space and it's centimetres or even millimetres. You could introduce a margin of error, but it's still not going to change the face there's a defined line and defined body parts have to be behind it.

Fair point but I still think it's ridiculous that you can be offside for a toe.  Did they try the "daylight" rule one year, can't remember?

[Westside]

The games all about scoring more goals than the opposition, but if you look at the whole season for every game I wouldn’t like to guess how many goals it’s chalked off, that 10 years ago would have stood. Be interesting to see how many goals were scored in a season 10 years ago as what was counted last season.

 

 

For the 2024/25 season 1,115 goals were scored in the Premier League.

In the 2014/15 season 975 goals were scored in the Premier League

In the last season without VAR, 2018/2019, 1.072 goals were scored.

Seems like VAR isn't currently reducing goals scored, but who knows if goals scored would be more without VAR? Or less?

[El Scorchio]

If VAR referees are making mistakes then they should just bin it as the idea was to stop on field Referees making mistakes.  Would rather have one bloke making a cock up than two!  It's destroying the game as a spectacle, with in some cases minutes to decide whether a goal is a goal, destroying that immediate elation for players and fans.  I'd rather go back to just everyone in the pub criticising one bloke in black!!

Yes, obviously goal line tech is fine, but I'd even bin the offsides and make major changes to the rule.  Being off side for a toe is ridiculous, especially like the other day when Taty was even facing the other way with his back to an opponents goal, that's not seeking an advantage. Plus if it comes of the opposition player, regardless of intent, it shouldn't be offside.

I'm in favour of the daylight rule, or in these flipping women's bra's all the players wear nowadays surely microchip tech is available, although where you would put the chip is up for debate.  On the chest, on the back, in the boot?!

Get rid of VAR and have a serious look at the rules.

That change to offside doesn't help- it just changes where you measure from. There will still be loads of occasions where there's a tiny space and it's centimetres or even millimetres. You could introduce a margin of error, but it's still not going to change the face there's a defined line and defined body parts have to be behind it.

[zico]

If VAR referees are making mistakes then they should just bin it as the idea was to stop on field Referees making mistakes.  Would rather have one bloke making a cock up than two!  It's destroying the game as a spectacle, with in some cases minutes to decide whether a goal is a goal, destroying that immediate elation for players and fans.  I'd rather go back to just everyone in the pub criticising one bloke in black!!

Yes, obviously goal line tech is fine, but I'd even bin the offsides and make major changes to the rule.  Being off side for a toe is ridiculous, especially like the other day when Taty was even facing the other way with his back to an opponents goal, that's not seeking an advantage. Plus if it comes of the opposition player, regardless of intent, it shouldn't be offside.

I'm in favour of the daylight rule, or in these flipping women's bra's all the players wear nowadays surely microchip tech is available, although where you would put the chip is up for debate.  On the chest, on the back, in the boot?!

Get rid of VAR and have a serious look at the rules.

[Gaffer58]

The games all about scoring more goals than the opposition, but if you look at the whole season for every game I wouldn’t like to guess how many goals it’s chalked off, that 10 years ago would have stood. Be interesting to see how many goals were scored in a season 10 years ago as what was counted last season.