VAR

[Far Cough UKunt]

Interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... grx8ml7m0o

[Eerie Decent]

It's not going away, but at least we confirmed your idea is absolutely ludicrous.

[threesixty]

So if you get those calls right, you still lose them?

Therefore, if you challenge twice, and you get them both correct, lose your challenges, and there is an incorrect call in the 90th minute but you can't challenge it, and you still lose all the millions you're so
worried about, what then?

 

 

Yes a call you SUSPECT to be incorrect in the 90th cant be challenged because you've used up all your challenges.  At least it's better than going all game where you've lost 2 goals already because the ref is shit and you couldn't do anything about it at all. Which is what you are proposing by removing VAR altogether. And more importantly it's up to you as a team whether you challenge rather than a group of ref's that adhere to the big 6 clubs that won't even bother if it doesn't suit them. 

So you want an unfair system, to replace the current shit system?

A team could make 2 wrong 'calls', the other team 2 'right' calls, but they could still get fucked over, and in the end, it's still all just interpretation that could be wrong.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous, like most of your wacky ideas.

The whole thing needs scrapping.

 

 

It’s like talking to a toddler. 
Yes you can scrap it but the problem of multi million pound decisions being made by one person with no hindsight is still a thing. If u had a business that was a crap obvious decision away from earning millions I’m sure you’d want something in place to help with that.

so unless u want to remove the money and reward from the game I don’t think Var is going away. 

This is boring now. 

[Manuel]

The whole system has to go apart from goal line technology. If up to 5 minutes are taken to reach a final decision then surely that can't be conclusive.
The introduction of the system was supposed to guarantee conclusively and if its faiiing in that area then it has to be binned.

Being pedantic (who me) goal line technology is separate from VAR so doesn't need to even get a mention in the same convo.

How about only use it for offsides? I wouldn't be totally against that.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

There will be occasions when you're right up against the margin of error and it'll be a millimetre decision regardless. All you're doing is changing the problem slightly rather than solving it. If the margin is 5com, you'll still get occasions where it's 4.99cm or 5.01cm. Wherever you have to draw any line or border, not matter how thick, there will always be occasions when you're on it or over it.

 

No sorry, you're wrong. If the margin of error is a clearly stated 'x', there is no credibility at all in complaining, 'oh, yes he WAS offside but only by 'x' minus a tiny bit'. The complainer would be laughed at. Even now, the gripes against 'toes-length' offsides are no longer taken seriously.

 

Please explain how you envision your new VAR?

I literally just did.

[Mike Oxsaw]

The whole system has to go apart from goal line technology. If up to 5 minutes are taken to reach a final decision then surely that can't be conclusive.
The introduction of the system was supposed to guarantee conclusively and if its faiiing in that area then it has to be binned.

Wrong!. That's why they claimed the system was introduced.

The real reason was to create more controversy, and therefore more media interest/sponsorship/advertising opportunities, but even they knew that the public wouldn't buy that one.

[only1billybonds]

The whole system has to go apart from goal line technology. If up to 5 minutes are taken to reach a final decision then surely that can't be conclusive.
The introduction of the system was supposed to guarantee conclusively and if its faiiing in that area then it has to be binned.

[stubbo-admin]

DRS (cricket) & Hawkeye (tennis) work because they are decisions of fact … did the ball pitch outside leg or was it hitting the stumps … was the forehand hitting the line 
VAR & football has too many subjective decisions 
To maintain the immediacy of football I’d rather put up with a few errors by human refs
Even though we get raped by the Northern cunts discombobulated by traffic lights & paved roads when they come to London 

Exactly this. It can only ever work properly if the law book is adjusted to make grey rules black or white 

[Fauxstralian]

DRS (cricket) & Hawkeye (tennis) work because they are decisions of fact … did the ball pitch outside leg or was it hitting the stumps … was the forehand hitting the line 
VAR & football has too many subjective decisions 
To maintain the immediacy of football I’d rather put up with a few errors by human refs
Even though we get raped by the Northern cunts discombobulated by traffic lights & paved roads when they come to London 

[Massive Attack]

Or... just fuck it off.

[Gaffer58]

It’s shit refs on the field having their shit ref mate in VAR making shit decisions, the VAR ref doesn’t want to upset his mate on the field because next week it will be the other way round. Get independent people in the VAR who aren’t afraid of upsetting their mate on the field.

[Eerie Decent]

So if you get those calls right, you still lose them?

Therefore, if you challenge twice, and you get them both correct, lose your challenges, and there is an incorrect call in the 90th minute but you can't challenge it, and you still lose all the millions you're so
worried about, what then?

 

 

Yes a call you SUSPECT to be incorrect in the 90th cant be challenged because you've used up all your challenges.  At least it's better than going all game where you've lost 2 goals already because the ref is shit and you couldn't do anything about it at all. Which is what you are proposing by removing VAR altogether. And more importantly it's up to you as a team whether you challenge rather than a group of ref's that adhere to the big 6 clubs that won't even bother if it doesn't suit them. 

So you want an unfair system, to replace the current shit system?

A team could make 2 wrong 'calls', the other team 2 'right' calls, but they could still get fucked over, and in the end, it's still all just interpretation that could be wrong.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous, like most of your wacky ideas.

The whole thing needs scrapping.

[Massive Attack]

Human nature and error is always going to be an issue when situations will always be interpreted subjectively. 1 man's handball is another man's arm in a 'natural silhouette position'. It's all a bollocks and it was always going to be.

The reason why I was so eager for limited technology to be introduced was for goal line technology because that was irrefutably conclusive but just as important is that it instantly works without delay to the normal rhythm of a Football match. 

All we've achieved now with regards to VAR is to open up a predictable pandoras box of so many variable outcomes and interpretations where it will always be a controversial way of refereeing a game. To rub salt in the wounds we also suffer greatly with how long it takes ruining all the whole instantaneous spectacle of the game which was what made Football so appealing as a spectator. The raw instant emotion of it all. Now it's like pulling teeth and why people loved the QPR Cup game because it reminded us of a time without all the nonsense of VAR. 

[RootsRadical]

It's fine in Europe where you barely notice it unless there's a clear and obvious mistake, but over here it's ruining the game for many reasons.
Inconsistent, not objective and manned by twats who treat it like a new toy, an attraction that's part of the game and think they need to get involved 3 or 4 times a game and be the centre of attention.

[El Scorchio]

And this is the problem- not the tech but the implementation

[Gaffer58]

Don’t see the difference between last night’s disallowed goal and Arsenal’s tonight. Love the consistency of VAR.

[El Scorchio]

If you need a micrometer to decide who is offside, then it's not football its mathematics.


 

It's always going to come down to that though, if technology is used. For me, offside is the only thing about it that does it's job and does it well- on the technology side. The automated bit is (almost) never wrong. However what drags it down is the amount of time it can take and how what is shown on the monitors is applied. As ever it's the human element slowing it down and fucking it up- thinking of that Liverpool one a few seasons ago with the cock up in communication. The bad judgement calls like with Taty, like last night. Or when they go looking for possible infractions seemingly because they want to rule out a goal while letting a similar situation slide a week later. That's what does for the offside rule. It's not the technology side of VAR at all, it's the human side and how the officials 'choose' to interpret the images.

[Far Cough UKunt]

If you need a micrometer to decide who is offside, then it's not football its mathematics.

 

[threesixty]

So if you get those calls right, you still lose them?

Therefore, if you challenge twice, and you get them both correct, lose your challenges, and there is an incorrect call in the 90th minute but you can't challenge it, and you still lose all the millions you're so
worried about, what then?

 

 

 

 

Yes a call you SUSPECT to be incorrect in the 90th cant be challenged because you've used up all your challenges.  At least it's better than going all game where you've lost 2 goals already because the ref is shit and you couldn't do anything about it at all. Which is what you are proposing by removing VAR altogether. And more importantly it's up to you as a team whether you challenge rather than a group of ref's that adhere to the big 6 clubs that won't even bother if it doesn't suit them. 

[Eerie Decent]

So if you get those calls right, you still lose them?

Therefore, if you challenge twice, and you get them both correct, lose your challenges, and there is an incorrect call in the 90th minute but you can't challenge it, and you still lose all the millions you're so
worried about, what then?

[threesixty]

threesixty wants the possibility of there being potentially 10+ of them a game, coma, decided by the respective teams.

It needs scrapping. It's the best game in the world, bar none, why the fuck mess with it? It's made the game fundamentally worse, that can't even be questioned, those that have the misfortune of a bad heat of the moment decision just have to deal with it. We had to deal with the Brighton fiasco and 2 incorrect calls, we just had to wait 5 fucking minutes to find out, their fans were robbed of the elation. Load of old cսnt.

 

 

You know I said maybe 2 max each team right? Not sure where the 10+ challenges a game came from.
Also, I told you the reason it's there, there is too much money at stake, thats why. Teams have lost millions based on incorrect calls. So it's never going completely away.

For the umpteenth time, the point is to REDUCE disruption by taking the decision to use VAR away from the refs and in the hands of the clubs. By LIMITING the amount they can query a decision it REDUCES the likelihood of teams using it for marginal decisions. People dont mind VAR if it rectifies obvious errors. Its the marginal ones that piss every one off because we can live with that.

I'll never understand why you are deliberately obtuse most of the time? 
Whats the point??

[Eerie Decent]

threesixty wants the possibility of there being potentially 10+ of them a game, coma, decided by the respective teams.

It needs scrapping. It's the best game in the world, bar none, why the fuck mess with it? It's made the game fundamentally worse, that can't even be questioned, those that have the misfortune of a bad heat of the moment decision just have to deal with it. We had to deal with the Brighton fiasco and 2 incorrect calls, we just had to wait 5 fucking minutes to find out, their fans were robbed of the elation. Load of old cսnt.

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Five minutes to decide whether or not Haaland, who was offside but did not touch the ball, interfered with the play.

Problem is the huge inconsistency with interpretation.

[Far Cough UKunt]

It wasn't even close to fractional. Everyone was so busy focusing on whether he was level with or behind the defender that they had ignored the fact that the keeper was ahead of them both. It couldn't have been clearer to me

Hahahaha, the fucking idiots.

[onsideman]

I didn't notice that.
Why didn't the commentators say anything, and why did VAR take so long to see it?

The commentator and co-commentator were seemingly blinkered and failed to make the observation

No idea why it took so long for the VAR... brain fart the only explanation

Lescott said iti mmediately after the final whislte when they returned to the pundits 

[El Scorchio]

It's also entirely subjective what they do and don't choose to look at, if it's something the ref on the field hasn't blown for. This is the murkiest bit of it. They can conjour something almost out of nothing if they choose to.