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[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[goose]

Actually PMI is above 50 so it’s not contracting.

Manufacturing is part of capex see Rolls Royce as just one example. There are plenty of others if you care to look. 

Manufacturing is only 10% of US GDP.

Even without the obvious robust growth we will see in manufacturing in the year ahead the US GDP and therefor the US consumer and Economy are gonna do very well under Trump and Trumps policies moving forward.

You must be gutted. Like I keep saying read about the difference between Macro and micro economics then apply them to the US economy. You might just stop mugging yourself off.

barely above 50 and still shedding jobs. take a 6 month view and its goin backwards. what a 'golden age' 

obvious robust growth? obvious to you and??? anyone else? The LEI data (which is forward looking) contradicts that.
The consensus for 2026 is a "low-growth recovery" driven by data centres and defence.

I think you must have read about micro/macro economics once in GCSE business studies once and now that's you fall back when you start getting out of your depth.

At least I read it once.

Do yourself a favour and catch a clue. You might just stop embarassing yourself.

Yup GCSE business studies, I knew it  

actually I bet it was an O-level.

[Nutsin]

 

You should probably take a look at the jobs numbers - there is no growth.

Again I suggest you go back and look at the capital investment data I shared with you. It's data centres/AI driving it. Not cars, not iphones (when are those US made iphones going on sale?), not steelworks.

The manufacturing sector in the US is contracting and so is demand and this while input prices continue to rise.

Be my gust to come back every month with manufacturing PMI.

Actually PMI is above 50 so it’s not contracting.

Manufacturing is part of capex see Rolls Royce as just one example. There are plenty of others if you care to look. 

Manufacturing is only 10% of US GDP.

Even without the obvious robust growth we will see in manufacturing in the year ahead the US GDP and therefor the US consumer and Economy are gonna do very well under Trump and Trumps policies moving forward.

You must be gutted. Like I keep saying read about the difference between Macro and micro economics then apply them to the US economy. You might just stop mugging yourself off.

barely above 50 and still shedding jobs. take a 6 month view and its goin backwards. what a 'golden age' 

obvious robust growth? obvious to you and??? anyone else? The LEI data (which is forward looking) contradicts that.
The consensus for 2026 is a "low-growth recovery" driven by data centres and defence.

I think you must have read about micro/macro economics once in GCSE business studies once and now that's you fall back when you start getting out of your depth.

At least I read it once.

Do yourself a favour and catch a clue. You might just stop embarassing yourself.

[goose]

Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.

Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.

Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.

 

You should probably take a look at the jobs numbers - there is no growth.

Again I suggest you go back and look at the capital investment data I shared with you. It's data centres/AI driving it. Not cars, not iphones (when are those US made iphones going on sale?), not steelworks.

The manufacturing sector in the US is contracting and so is demand and this while input prices continue to rise.

Be my gust to come back every month with manufacturing PMI.

Actually PMI is above 50 so it’s not contracting.

Manufacturing is part of capex see Rolls Royce as just one example. There are plenty of others if you care to look. 

Manufacturing is only 10% of US GDP.

Even without the obvious robust growth we will see in manufacturing in the year ahead the US GDP and therefor the US consumer and Economy are gonna do very well under Trump and Trumps policies moving forward.

You must be gutted. Like I keep saying read about the difference between Macro and micro economics then apply them to the US economy. You might just stop mugging yourself off.

barely above 50 and still shedding jobs. take a 6 month view and its goin backwards. what a 'golden age' 

obvious robust growth? obvious to you and??? anyone else? The LEI data (which is forward looking) contradicts that.
The consensus for 2026 is a "low-growth recovery" driven by data centres and defence.

I think you must have read about micro/macro economics once in GCSE business studies once and now that's you fall back when you start getting out of your depth.

[Nutsin]

 

I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.

Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?

Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw. 

Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.

Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.

Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.

 

You should probably take a look at the jobs numbers - there is no growth.

Again I suggest you go back and look at the capital investment data I shared with you. It's data centres/AI driving it. Not cars, not iphones (when are those US made iphones going on sale?), not steelworks.

The manufacturing sector in the US is contracting and so is demand and this while input prices continue to rise.

Be my gust to come back every month with manufacturing PMI.

Actually PMI is above 50 so it’s not contracting.

Manufacturing is part of capex see Rolls Royce as just one example. There are plenty of others if you care to look. 

Manufacturing is only 10% of US GDP.

Even without the obvious robust growth we will see in manufacturing in the year ahead the US GDP and therefor the US consumer and Economy are gonna do very well under Trump and Trumps policies moving forward.

You must be gutted. Like I keep saying read about the difference between Macro and micro economics then apply them to the US economy. You might just stop mugging yourself off.

[goose]

It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!

Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.

And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.

Pick the peanuts out of that. 

 

I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.

Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?

Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw. 

Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.

Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.

Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.

 

 

You should probably take a look at the jobs numbers - there is no growth.

Again I suggest you go back and look at the capital investment data I shared with you. It's data centres/AI driving it. Not cars, not iphones (when are those US made iphones going on sale?), not steelworks.

The manufacturing sector in the US is contracting and so is demand and this while input prices continue to rise.

Be my guest to come back every month with manufacturing PMI.

[Sydney_Iron]

Like a Boss!





 

 

 

 

 

Not really  Just being spun that way?

Denmark keeps its role in Greenland, NO change

US Military bases (as are British or French) are seen as an extension of the country (similar to sovereignty) whilst being used as a military base, if or when they don't want the base anymore it just reverts back! US has always had the option of more bases in Greenland! and use and control of airspace.

US gets mineral rights, as does EU, Australian mining and exploration company's etc, BUT its down to being granted access and approval from the Greenlanders, NO change TBH! 

China and Russia not allowed, Well they are nowhere to be seen now, so no real change?

[Hammer I am]

Like a Boss!

 

 

he left with exactly what he had before, at the price of upsetting all his allies, what a boss!

[Nutsin]

Or maybe the LEI read which has been below 100 for about 6 months straight?

It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!

Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.

And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.

Pick the peanuts out of that. 

 

I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.

Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?

Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw. 

Cutting Gov’t jobs is good for private sector jobs.

Everybody but you understands that Capex is what lays the table for manufacturing jobs and output. Money is being spent, warehouses, plants and factories are being built. Even Rolls Royce has joined the party. Give it time PMI will follow, those that know understand this natural occurrence, it will happen and when it does I’ll be here to mock you again.

Beginning of last year you were screaming inflation and Stagflation. That obviously didn’t happen. I’ll be back to remind you of what an absolute idiot you are in a few months when the hiring starts and again when production takes off.

[Nutsin]

Like a Boss!

[goose]

Or maybe the LEI read which has been below 100 for about 6 months straight?

It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!

Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.

And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.

Pick the peanuts out of that. 

 

 

I’ve shown you in absolute mathematical terms what demand really is. Backed up by PMI & LEI data. Layer onto that the ballooning personal debt and credit card delinquency and you have the consumer data. If you still wanna ignore basic maths & clear data then I cannot help you.

Funny how when GDP growth was negative in Q1 it was all about the pull forward of inventories, but now when that unwinds you wanna ignore it?

Cutting jobs isn’t going to deliver growth btw. 

[Sydney_Iron]

See the Orange one has come out with more bollocks and insults; he needs to keep his trap shut and for once i agree with Starmer.

 'Insulting': Starmer reacts to Trump's comments on Nato troops in Afghanistan

UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer said Donald Trump's remarks about British troops in Afghanistan were "insulting and frankly appalling".

[Nutsin]

Or maybe the LEI read which has been below 100 for about 6 months straight?

It really is hard to believe that you are trying to claim the GDP numbers coming in so hot is not good news ffs!

Not only is it a big win but it is happening without much help from the Fed and with the democrats shutting down the Gov’t. Let’s also not forget the amount of Gov’t jobs/ bloat being reduced to help the private sector.

And it’s lead by a strong consumer. Thats what counts.

Pick the peanuts out of that. 

[goose]

Or maybe the LEI read which has been below 100 for about 6 months straight?

[goose]

Sssssh! Don’t tell Goose.

I gave you this lesson yesterday.
Refer back to my posts about net exports & inventories. Strip them away then talk to me about demand.

 

Here you go Goose and remember now, we had a Gov’t shut down that hurt the GDP numbers, without the Dirty Dems playing politics these numbers would be even higher.

I know it hurts!


https://www.atlantafed.org/cqer/researc ... %20percent.

 

 

it's like groundhog day.
gross demand was 2.9%. the net exports is figure is driven by weakening demand which the PMI figures underline.
Q3 in 2023 and Q3 in 2024 were stronger. Who are we blaming for that?

[Nutsin]

That is weapons grade straw clutching.
As others have said they were based in Helmand province which was one of the most dangerous places in Aghanistan and got blown up and attacked regularly. Special Forces fought behind the lines alongside US Special forces. 
He said it, meant it and it was a pack of lies.

 

He actually attacked the countries, not the troops. Here's the full quote. Only a Grade 1 TDS sufferer would claim he is attacking the actual soldiers.

"We’ve never needed them (Nato member countries). We have never really asked anything of them. They’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that, and they did, they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines."

Being Nutsin's little sidekick has rotted your brain, those are the points everyone has already countered. Ok perhaps you can counter in your own worlds in bold how US didn't ask for assistance by triggering article 5, and how NATO troops were hiding behind American soldiers by being posted in Helmand province etc. feel free to change the subject as usual though 

 

 

Hammer I am, are you Goose’s little side kick?

How many cats you got?

[Westham67]

btw - It still won't be true even if you type it in block caps..

 

 

Surface is a black belt at making straw man arguments(Take that as a compliment, Surface). In my own experience its best not go down an infinite rabbit hole with him

[Nutsin]

Sssssh! Don’t tell Goose.

I gave you this lesson yesterday.
Refer back to my posts about net exports & inventories. Strip them away then talk to me about demand.

 

 

Here you go Goose and remember now, we had a Gov’t shut down that hurt the GDP numbers, without the Dirty Dems playing politics these numbers would be even higher.

I know it hurts!


https://www.atlantafed.org/cqer/researc ... %20percent.

[goose]

Sssssh! Don’t tell Goose.

I gave you this lesson yesterday.
Refer back to my posts about net exports & inventories. Strip them away then talk to me about demand.

I know it’s hard to face the truth of your limitations Goose. First step is acceptance. You need to accept you have a lot to learn. For your own sake.

 

 

 

my limitations? no its simple maths as i pointed out yesterday. 
C+I+G+(X-M)

Any comments on todays PMI figures? minimal growth across the board.

[Hammer I am]

I think you have this the wrong way round. It's you that's guessing what he meant. I'm simply repeating what he actually said. Which was that Britain avoided the front line in Afghanistan. Factually true. And not a criticism of British troops.

That is weapons grade straw clutching.
As others have said they were based in Helmand province which was one of the most dangerous places in Aghanistan and got blown up and attacked regularly. Special Forces fought behind the lines alongside US Special forces. 
He said it, meant it and it was a pack of lies.

 

He actually attacked the countries, not the troops. Here's the full quote. Only a Grade 1 TDS sufferer would claim he is attacking the actual soldiers.

"We’ve never needed them (Nato member countries). We have never really asked anything of them. They’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that, and they did, they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines."

Being Nutsin's little sidekick has rotted your brain, those are the points everyone has already countered. Ok perhaps you can counter in your own worlds in bold how US didn't ask for assistance by triggering article 5, and how NATO troops were hiding behind American soldiers by being posted in Helmand province etc. feel free to change the subject as usual though 

[zebthecat]

btw - It still won't be true even if you type it in block caps..

[Nutsin]

Sssssh! Don’t tell Goose.

I gave you this lesson yesterday.
Refer back to my posts about net exports & inventories. Strip them away then talk to me about demand.

I know it’s hard to face the truth of your limitations Goose. First step is acceptance. You need to accept you have a lot to learn. For your own sake.

[zebthecat]

I think you have this the wrong way round. It's you that's guessing what he meant. I'm simply repeating what he actually said. Which was that Britain avoided the front line in Afghanistan. Factually true. And not a criticism of British troops.

That is weapons grade straw clutching.
As others have said they were based in Helmand province which was one of the most dangerous places in Aghanistan and got blown up and attacked regularly. Special Forces fought behind the lines alongside US Special forces. 
He said it, meant it and it was a pack of lies.

 

He actually attacked the countries, not the troops. Here's the full quote. Only a Grade 1 TDS sufferer would claim he is attacking the actual soldiers.

"We’ve never needed them (Nato member countries). We have never really asked anything of them. They’ll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan, or this or that, and they did, they stayed a little back, a little off the front lines."

There you go again and in bold at that.
None of those statements are true.
The USA triggered NATO article 5, the only time it has been done, and asked for help.
Almost 20 countries answered the call.
Those armed forces were in the front line and they died helping the USA.

[goose]

Sssssh! Don’t tell Goose.

I gave you this lesson yesterday.
Refer back to my posts about net exports & inventories. Strip them away then talk to me about demand.

[goose]

I’m gonna completely ignore the fact that #1 and #2 completely disregard health care in the US which is paid for outside of the pay cheque.

id much rather live on the continent with higher life expectancies, better healthcare, free education and proper football.

oh and best of all, no dumb Americans.
 

[Nutsin]

Sssssh! Don’t tell Goose.