US Politics Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Seems like the main politics thread is becoming a Yankee-Doodle Trump-fest, so maybe scope here to split them out.

Will see if this one gains any traction ..if it does will move over a few of the million posts from our two protagonists from the other thread.

Yee-haaa!

[goose]

Or put another way, Trump doesn't have to blink first and has time to wait to see who blinks first before him. Japan, Canada, France, UK seem to be having very twitchy eyes already which tells us something.. (No Japs eye jokes please otherwise the WHO AI grass Police will flag you racist fuckers!). 

This is costing the US $1bn a day and they are the ones actually fighting the war.
This is Trumps war - he is the one who will come under increasing pressure especially given where he is in the election cycle and how opposed his country is to this war.

The other countries do not want to join this war, and neither do their people.

The longer is goes, the more the markets bleed, the more pressure Trump comes under to TACO. Nobody else can stop this.

And along with Israel, he'll deserve all the major credit should he win, especially if it doesn't drag on. 1 Bill a day is a drop in the ocean for US. Can easily wait this out for the foreseeable. No immediate pressure to blink first. Other Countries and business interests don't have anywhere near the same luxury. Hence why the likes of Japan are doing drive bys at the White House only 19 days in to an overly impressive military conflict.

 

 

$1bn a day plus the additional $200bn they’ve just asked congress for.
Aside from the operational challenge of keeping military resources in the area, Trump cannot suffer the market movements. The equity markets at the moment have absolutely priced in the .
The 10 year treasury is about 40 basis points off pushing Trump to just like April last year.

[Westham67]

The head of counter terrorism resigning speaks volumes. Another 9/11 on steroids on the way

[Westham67]

The shipping is not the issue now its the source. Its going to take some time to get those refineries back on line

[Massive Attack]

Or put another way, Trump doesn't have to blink first and has time to wait to see who blinks first before him. Japan, Canada, France, UK seem to be having very twitchy eyes already which tells us something.. (No Japs eye jokes please otherwise the WHO AI grass Police will flag you racist fuckers!). 

This is costing the US $1bn a day and they are the ones actually fighting the war.
This is Trumps war - he is the one who will come under increasing pressure especially given where he is in the election cycle and how opposed his country is to this war.

The other countries do not want to join this war, and neither do their people.

The longer is goes, the more the markets bleed, the more pressure Trump comes under to TACO. Nobody else can stop this.

And along with Israel, he'll deserve all the major credit should he win, especially if it doesn't drag on. 1 Bill a day is a drop in the ocean for US. Can easily wait this out for the foreseeable. No immediate pressure to blink first. Other Countries and business interests don't have anywhere near the same luxury. Hence why the likes of Japan are doing drive bys at the White House only 19 days in to an overly impressive military conflict.

[goose]

Or put another way, Trump doesn't have to blink first and has time to wait to see who blinks first before him. Japan, Canada, France, UK seem to be having very twitchy eyes already which tells us something.. (No Japs eye jokes please otherwise the WHO AI grass Police will flag you racist fuckers!). 

This is costing the US $1bn a day and they are the ones actually fighting the war.
This is Trumps war - he is the one who will come under increasing pressure especially given where he is in the election cycle and how opposed his country is to this war.

The other countries do not want to join this war, and neither do their people.

The longer is goes, the more the markets bleed, the more pressure Trump comes under to TACO. Nobody else can stop this.

[OK_Guy]

I hope we don't get there, but you will get a great social experiment of the generational differences WW2 vs now.

 

 

most of us oldies were brought up by people who were affected by WW2, we were told that war was a bad thing to live through. We passed that on to the next generations and we have become passive, scared to talk about problems without being labeled as some nutjob, right/left wing racist, paedo, woke, loony... the youth of today don't know suffering. We've ensured for the most that everything is to be handed to them on a cottonwool plate... I see serious mental-health problems moving forward for our young with life's pressures, not too sure as a nation we're ready for difficult times ahead.

Like you said, let's hope it doesn't come to the extremities.  

[Massive Attack]

Or put another way, Trump doesn't have to blink first and has time to wait to see who blinks first before him. Japan, Canada, France, UK seem to be having very twitchy eyes already which tells us something.. (No Japs eye jokes please otherwise the WHO AI grass Police will flag you racist fuckers!). 

[goose]

Precisely my logic..  

But only the US are fighting this war and are as exposed as everyone else.
The pressure will be "you can stop this" not "lets all join a war to secure the Strait".

Trump is already under pressure back home and that will only increase.
two thirds of americans are against this.
He has also shown that the markets will drive his decisions............ think back to April and the TACO.

No. He can soon walk away with another precise military victory under his belt, rid Iran of a shit load of Leaders that knew what they were doing that leaves the path clear for an uprising if the Iranians choose to do so that would be aided by Kurds and weaponry the US would happily donate,  so they don't have to. He (US) doesn't depend on the Strait, all his Allies pretty much do however, even China does which is another key Iranian ally component in applying pressure on Iran to pack it in. Trump has all the time in the world to let this now play out and lo and behold already the Jap PM rocks up at the White House in double quick time, funny that.. 

The US does rely on imports of oil. About 30-35% of their oil used is imported.
They import about 25% of fertiliser for their farming industry.
The cost of oil drives everything.
Any movement in prices hits them, as you can see at the moment where pertrol prices have gone up by 30%.

He absolutely does not have time on his hands. Economically they are as exposed as anyone, from a markets point of view they are more exposed.

[goose]

Every week that passes this becomes a bigger problem. Give it another couple of weeks and we start having serious convo's about rationing at the petrol station.
Everyone's food etc etc is going up in price and everyone's mortgage will go the same way.

 

 

thinking back to the 1970's and the 3-day week... we got on with things, people pulled together community wise (the same with Covid)... there are benefits, more use of public-transport (if you're bothered about the environment, less fucking MPV's on the road), kids will learn how to walk to school, cleaner air etc., etc.

it's not always about the money, sometimes hardship can create unexpected benefits nationwide, take the positives from the negatives, WW2 taught us that (keeping on topic).

 

 

I hope we don't get there, but you will get a great social experiment of the generational differences WW2 vs now.

[Massive Attack]

Every week that passes this becomes a bigger problem. Give it another couple of weeks and we start having serious convo's about rationing at the petrol station.
Everyone's food etc etc is going up in price and everyone's mortgage will go the same way.

Precisely my logic..  

But only the US are fighting this war and are as exposed as everyone else.
The pressure will be "you can stop this" not "lets all join a war to secure the Strait".

Trump is already under pressure back home and that will only increase.
two thirds of americans are against this.
He has also shown that the markets will drive his decisions............ think back to April and the TACO.

No. He can soon walk away with another precise military victory under his belt, rid Iran of a shit load of Leaders that knew what they were doing that leaves the path clear for an uprising if the Iranians choose to do so that would be aided by Kurds and weaponry the US would happily donate,  so they don't have to. He (US) doesn't depend on the Strait, all his Allies pretty much do however, even China does which is another key Iranian ally component in applying pressure on Iran to pack it in. Trump has all the time in the world to let this now play out and lo and behold already the Jap PM rocks up at the White House in double quick time, funny that.. 

[OK_Guy]

Every week that passes this becomes a bigger problem. Give it another couple of weeks and we start having serious convo's about rationing at the petrol station.
Everyone's food etc etc is going up in price and everyone's mortgage will go the same way.

 

 

 

 

thinking back to the 1970's and the 3-day week... we got on with things, people pulled together community wise (the same with Covid)... there are benefits, more use of public-transport (if you're bothered about the environment, less fucking MPV's on the road), kids will learn how to walk to school, cleaner air etc., etc.

it's not always about the money, sometimes hardship can create unexpected benefits nationwide, take the positives from the negatives, WW2 taught us that (keeping on topic).

[goose]

Well within days of saying it, Japan have already gone to great lengths to discuss it at the Oval Office yesterday with overtures from the likes of Canada, France, UK also strongly condemning the attacks in the Strait that wouldn't surprise seeing them be part of a coalition, if only by diplomacy to help keep the strait open. Their vocal efforts says a lot for their need to get this sorted. I'm optimistic that something can be achieved in the end.

Every week that passes this becomes a bigger problem. Give it another couple of weeks and we start having serious convo's about rationing at the petrol station.
Everyone's food etc etc is going up in price and everyone's mortgage will go the same way.

Precisely my logic..  

But only the US are fighting this war and are as exposed as everyone else.
The pressure will be "you can stop this" not "lets all join a war to secure the Strait".

Trump is already under pressure back home and that will only increase.
two thirds of americans are against this.
He has also shown that the markets will drive his decisions............ think back to April and the TACO.

[Massive Attack]

Well within days of saying it, Japan have already gone to great lengths to discuss it at the Oval Office yesterday with overtures from the likes of Canada, France, UK also strongly condemning the attacks in the Strait that wouldn't surprise seeing them be part of a coalition, if only by diplomacy to help keep the strait open. Their vocal efforts says a lot for their need to get this sorted. I'm optimistic that something can be achieved in the end.

Every week that passes this becomes a bigger problem. Give it another couple of weeks and we start having serious convo's about rationing at the petrol station.
Everyone's food etc etc is going up in price and everyone's mortgage will go the same way.

Precisely my logic..  


Money talks.  

[goose]

Well within days of saying it, Japan have already gone to great lengths to discuss it at the Oval Office yesterday with overtures from the likes of Canada, France, UK also strongly condemning the attacks in the Strait that wouldn't surprise seeing them be part of a coalition, if only by diplomacy to help keep the strait open. Their vocal efforts says a lot for their need to get this sorted. I'm optimistic that something can be achieved in the end.

Of course they will condem the attacks and of course they want ther situation sorted.
The joint press release was nothing but a flimsy statement about how everyone benefits and we should all abide by the laws.

The biggest and most powerful navy on the planet won't go anywhere near the Strait at the moment, that tells you how bad it is.

Every week that passes this becomes a bigger problem. Give it another couple of weeks and we start having serious convo's about rationing at the petrol station.
Everyone's food etc etc is going up in price and everyone's mortgage will go the same way.

[,]

Interesting now to see how Bibi is overtly programming Trump to put American boots on Iranian ground. It begins with Karl Island.

[Massive Attack]

Well within days of saying it, Japan have already gone to great lengths to discuss it at the Oval Office yesterday with overtures from the likes of Canada, France, UK also strongly condemning the attacks in the Strait that wouldn't surprise seeing them be part of a coalition, if only by diplomacy to help keep the strait open. Their vocal efforts says a lot for their need to get this sorted. I'm optimistic that something can be achieved in the end.

[goose]

Of course they don't have to. What is America's concern, is there concern with how they want to play it. Just as Japan had that right in WWII.

So then why should any of their allies support them if they do whatever they want to do?

Because they also have their own vested interests to take care of...

Like I pointed out the other day, all Trump needs to do right now is wait it out in regards to Hormuz and the allies will soon begin to fall in to place and play their part somehow and voila!

You did say that, but that approach simply won't work.
The US are as exposed to this as anyone else, they will see the same inflation spike from energy and input costs, the same economic slowdown, the same market impacts as everyone else.

Because of their exposure to the bond market and borrowing costs, they may even get it worse.


This war is getting worse for them (and us) every day it goes on.

[Massive Attack]

You don’t think they should make their allies aware that they’re about to start a war that completely messes up global energy & markets?

Of course they don't have to. What is America's concern, is there concern with how they want to play it. Just as Japan had that right in WWII.

So then why should any of their allies support them if they do whatever they want to do?

Because they also have their own vested interests to take care of...

Like I pointed out the other day, all Trump needs to do right now is wait it out in regards to Hormuz and the allies will soon begin to fall in to place and play their part somehow and voila!

[goose]

And so are American people deeply proud of their Country where Pearl Harbour means a great deal to them as well and he's actually got a point. A Reporter asking why they weren't told when they didn't is a bit fucking rich and he got an answer that put it bang in to perspective. 

As the image below shows his relationship is still as strong as before with the Prime Minister when she couldn't wait to greet the big bad Trump.

You don’t think they should make their allies aware that they’re about to start a war that completely messes up global energy & markets?

Of course they don't have to. What is America's concern, is there concern with how they want to play it. Just as Japan had that right in WWII.

So then why should any of their allies support them if they do whatever they want to do?

[Massive Attack]

And so are American people deeply proud of their Country where Pearl Harbour means a great deal to them as well and he's actually got a point. A Reporter asking why they weren't told when they didn't is a bit fucking rich and he got an answer that put it bang in to perspective. 

As the image below shows his relationship is still as strong as before with the Prime Minister when she couldn't wait to greet the big bad Trump.

You don’t think they should make their allies aware that they’re about to start a war that completely messes up global energy & markets?

Of course they don't have to. What is America's concern, is there concern with how they want to play it. Just as Japan had that right in WWII.

[goose]

And so are American people deeply proud of their Country where Pearl Harbour means a great deal to them as well and he's actually got a point. A Reporter asking why they weren't told when they didn't is a bit fucking rich and he got an answer that put it bang in to perspective. 

As the image below shows his relationship is still as strong as before with the Prime Minister when she couldn't wait to greet the big bad Trump.

You don’t think they should make their allies aware that they’re about to start a war that completely messes up global energy & markets?

[Mike Oxsaw]

You could see the Jap PM was very uncomfortable

She looked more pissed than anything else. Too many saki on the flight over?

[Massive Attack]

You could see the Jap PM was very uncomfortable

I noticed that, the hug & smile she gave him looked so insincere. 

Course it did!

[OK_Guy]

You could see the Jap PM was very uncomfortable

I noticed that, the hug & smile she gave him looked so insincere. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

You could see the Jap PM was very uncomfortable