Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[goose]

For me, this is bordering on delusional

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

 

Notwithstanding the fact that the 8 you've mentioned dont comprise more than one third of a squad... Diouf wouldn't start for many top level teams (just as he isn't for Senegal atm),  frustratingly Summerville proves week in, week out that he has no end product, Magassa is a very decent squad player but no better than a Baleba who doesn't always start for Brighton, Todibo has improved recently but certainly isn't someone upon whom a less desparate club would depend.  Bowen would start for most clubs below the top 6, agreed. However my comment was really aimed at your suggestion that all we need (in January) is a leader at both ends of the pitch, bearing in mind we've not had one at the back since Dawson and not had one at the front for as long as I can remember, and that Antonio could play a part in our salvation

I’d assume it’s a given that the players coming in are of a certain calibre - that’s a given.

As I said, we have a squad of mentally fragile players who are used to losing games. You need people coming in who can turn that around.

Antonio off the bench is a better option than Fullkrug or trying to play Paqueta through the middle. 

[onsideman]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

For me, this is bordering on delusional

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

 

 

Notwithstanding the fact that the 8 you've mentioned dont comprise more than one third of a squad... Diouf wouldn't start for many top level teams (just as he isn't for Senegal atm),  frustratingly Summerville proves week in, week out that he has no end product, Magassa is a very decent squad player but no better than a Baleba who doesn't always start for Brighton, Todibo has improved recently but certainly isn't someone upon whom a less desparate club would depend.  Bowen would start for most clubs below the top 6, agreed. However my comment was really aimed at your suggestion that all we need (in January) is a leader at both ends of the pitch, bearing in mind we've not had one at the back since Dawson and not had one at the front for as long as I can remember, and that Antonio could play a part in our salvation

[El Scorchio]

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

 

You need far more than 8 premier league standard players to compete. And even out of those cherry picked 8, we ourselves as a fan base have said countless times Todibo, Summerville, Paqueta aren’t good or consistent enough. Sure they’ll stay in a top division but Bowen and Fernandes and arguably AWB aside none of them have proven themselves to be more than bang average top flight players with any sort of consistency. Max Kilman will also end up at another top division club IF we can get rid of him, but he’s hardly any good, is he? Vlad Coufal ended up at another top division club but barely anyone thought he was good enough when he was playing for us so it’s a very flaky point to argue. 

The only above average proven premier league player we really have is Jarrod Bowen. Fernandes and Magassa may well become that but they arent yet/right now. Paqueta may become that at another club as might Todibo but for us they are just also rans as are the others. Let’s not reinvent them as quality players just to suit an argument when all it is is ignoring the real issue. 

For players who aren’t PL quality they ain’t half played a lot of PL games.

As a manager you cannot control the ownership but you can control the team you pick and how you set them up.

The team available to Nuno is better than 2 wins in 13 matches. Within those 13 we’ve lost to Leeds, Brentford and Fulham.
His decisions and impact on tge players simply hasn’t been good enough.

 

 

I didn’t say they weren’t premier league quality. I said they were no more than bang average. You need far more than only 3-4 players who are better than bang average. Besides which whether they are PL quality or not, they have to play as there isn’t anyone else. Just putting on the shirt and running around like Irving or Guido or igor doesn’t make them premier league quality despite making them premier league players. They aren’t the same thing. I agree Nuno hasn’t been good enough or got every decision correct but he’s got an absolutely shit collection of players to select from. The only players we have who would be actually coveted by non relegation fodder/bottom third clubs and might actually Italy be regular starters are Bowen, Fernandes, Paqueta and arguably Todibo or AWB. Jury very much out on Magassa and Diouf. That should tell a pretty stark story. What club in the top half is going to want any other player of ours for anything more than to fill out their squads and ride the bench for depth?

[Massive Attack]

Again, don't overly focus on what he could necessarily offer the Team just on the pitch (although I disagree he wouldn't add anything when called upon), it's also what he offers in and around the Club behind the scenes as well. He's not going to be a disruptive influence and would be the right character to make sure people act professional, that shit rubs off, especially for young Pros just starting out. The message it sent out however I think was damaging as his first move upon walking in to the Club. That shit is proper mental management that saud a lot about Nuno and didn't like it. If say Ward-Prowse was a known nightmare then OK I can understand it but Ward-Prowse? Not a fucking chance he deserved being launched out the door amd I suspect many of the current Squad have felt likewise. It certainly aint a move that's going to ingratiate himself to other players if that's how he treats someone like Ward-Prowse. Then I look at how his managed Wilson, then a pattern emerges not being a one-off of oddball moves.

 

JWP’s high character wasn’t rubbing off under Potter. Two out of three managers deemed him not good enough and Potter who did rely on him is widely acknowledged as the worst manager in our history. It was brutal to just drop JWP like that but it’s hardly had a detrimental effect. At the time it was seen by basically everyone as doing what was needed. 

I don’t believe anyone else would have managed Wilson much differently through the circumstances of both his fitness and contract structure. Again he is not a player who can play every minute of every game and at the time Nuno came in it was obvious he’d try Fullkrug first as would any manager and everyone was at the time clamouring to see Marshall over Wilson which happened and was clearly not the answer in hindsight. It has transpired he’s the least shit option vs a kid who isn’t ready or a Fuckjng cowardly wantaway cսnt but he was clearly brought to be no more than a bitpart player and backup to the cowardly wantaway cսnt. 

If we get a proper capable striker in the transfer window and they and Wilson both stay fit then I’m absolutely positive the manager has a striker on the pitch every minute of every game going forward from then. 

6 games under the other hapless clown Potter aint a barometer for anything. He uses to make decent players at Chelsea look like wank as well remember. I absolutely did not agree ostracising Ward-Prowse was smart management the way that he has and I also banged the drum at the time that our best Premier League Striker at the Club that should be starting most of our games is Wilson even when Fullkunt was fit to play. And so it has proved. 

[El Scorchio]

Again, don't overly focus on what he could necessarily offer the Team just on the pitch (although I disagree he wouldn't add anything when called upon), it's also what he offers in and around the Club behind the scenes as well. He's not going to be a disruptive influence and would be the right character to make sure people act professional, that shit rubs off, especially for young Pros just starting out. The message it sent out however I think was damaging as his first move upon walking in to the Club. That shit is proper mental management that saud a lot about Nuno and didn't like it. If say Ward-Prowse was a known nightmare then OK I can understand it but Ward-Prowse? Not a fucking chance he deserved being launched out the door amd I suspect many of the current Squad have felt likewise. It certainly aint a move that's going to ingratiate himself to other players if that's how he treats someone like Ward-Prowse. Then I look at how his managed Wilson, then a pattern emerges not being a one-off of oddball moves.

 

 

JWP’s high character wasn’t rubbing off under Potter. Two out of three managers deemed him not good enough and Potter who did rely on him is widely acknowledged as the worst manager in our history. It was brutal to just drop JWP like that but it’s hardly had a detrimental effect. At the time it was seen by basically everyone as doing what was needed. 

I don’t believe anyone else would have managed Wilson much differently through the circumstances of both his fitness and contract structure. Again he is not a player who can play every minute of every game and at the time Nuno came in it was obvious he’d try Fullkrug first as would any manager and everyone was at the time clamouring to see Marshall over Wilson which happened and was clearly not the answer in hindsight. It has transpired he’s the least shit option vs a kid who isn’t ready or a Fuckjng cowardly wantaway cսnt but he was clearly brought to be no more than a bitpart player and backup to the cowardly wantaway cսnt. 

If we get a proper capable striker in the transfer window and they and Wilson both stay fit then I’m absolutely positive the manager has a striker on the pitch every minute of every game going forward from then. 

[goose]

For me, this is bordering on delusional

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

 

You need far more than 8 premier league standard players to compete. And even out of those cherry picked 8, we ourselves as a fan base have said countless times Todibo, Summerville, Paqueta aren’t good or consistent enough. Sure they’ll stay in a top division but Bowen and Fernandes and arguably AWB aside none of them have proven themselves to be more than bang average top flight players with any sort of consistency. Max Kilman will also end up at another top division club IF we can get rid of him, but he’s hardly any good, is he? Vlad Coufal ended up at another top division club but barely anyone thought he was good enough when he was playing for us so it’s a very flaky point to argue. 

The only above average proven premier league player we really have is Jarrod Bowen. Fernandes and Magassa may well become that but they arent yet/right now. Paqueta may become that at another club as might Todibo but for us they are just also rans as are the others. Let’s not reinvent them as quality players just to suit an argument when all it is is ignoring the real issue. 

For players who aren’t PL quality they ain’t half played a lot of PL games.

As a manager you cannot control the ownership but you can control the team you pick and how you set them up.

The team available to Nuno is better than 2 wins in 13 matches. Within those 13 we’ve lost to Leeds, Brentford and Fulham.
His decisions and impact on tge players simply hasn’t been good enough.

[Massive Attack]

For me, this is bordering on delusional

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

 

The only above average proven premier league player we really have is Jarrod Bowen. Fernandes and Magassa may well become that but they arent yet/right now. Paqueta may become that at another club as might Todibo but for us they are just also rans as are the others. 

 

 

Different Club or a different manager/voice they came believe in..

[eusebiovic]

As for Wilson he has alienated him because not just shunning him completely for his 1st 3 games in charge not giving him a minute before eventually chucking him on against Leeds, he has only started him in 5 of those 13 matches available, fit and able. 

During the only times he has started him have we had our best performances as a Team - Newcastle W, Burnley W, Bournemouth D, Liverpool L, Manchester Utd D. Now he's back to just sticking him on the bench has our form and performances gone to absolute ratshit losing the last 3 games where he's played little trying to feed off scraps. He should be starting him near enough every game.

 

 

I thought Nuno would just stick to the 4-3-3 he played at Forest and to hell with it. The fact he couldn't bring his backroom staff with him was a huge red flag for me right from the beginning. Our lot probably don't really know what makes him tick yet. 

The games against Burnley/Newcastle when he played all the players in their best position in a 4-3-3 with Wilson up top worked well but it's obvious if you sign a bloke on a pay as you go contact he ain't gonna be able to do it in every game because it probably takes his body at least a week to recover from his 60 odd minutes. It's shameful beyond belief that we are left relying on him as our main striker. A club of our resources should be able to identify a couple of forwards that are good for 12 goals a season each. It's not too much to ask.

The days when a really good player like Julian Dicks could avoid the heavy work in training and then do it on match day are long gone. Paul McGrath and Ledley King were others that readily come to mind.

Our owner probably thought it was worth a punt in this day and age but he does still run the club like it's 1993 so maybe that explains it! 

[El Scorchio]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

For me, this is bordering on delusional

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

 

 

You need far more than 8 premier league standard players to compete. And even out of those cherry picked 8, we ourselves as a fan base have said countless times Todibo, Summerville, Paqueta aren’t good or consistent enough. Sure they’ll stay in a top division but Bowen and Fernandes and arguably AWB aside none of them have proven themselves to be more than bang average top flight players with any sort of consistency. Max Kilman will also end up at another top division club IF we can get rid of him, but he’s hardly any good, is he? Vlad Coufal ended up at another top division club but barely anyone thought he was good enough when he was playing for us so it’s a very flaky point to argue. 

The only above average proven premier league player we really have is Jarrod Bowen. Fernandes and Magassa may well become that but they arent yet/right now. Paqueta may become that at another club as might Todibo but for us they are just also rans as are the others. Let’s not reinvent them as quality players just to suit an argument when all it is is ignoring the real issue. 

[Massive Attack]

Again, don't overly focus on what he could necessarily offer the Team just on the pitch (although I disagree he wouldn't add anything when called upon), it's also what he offers in and around the Club behind the scenes as well. He's not going to be a disruptive influence and would be the right character to make sure people act professional, that shit rubs off, especially for young Pros just starting out. The message it sent out however I think was damaging as his first move upon walking in to the Club. That shit is proper mental management that saud a lot about Nuno and didn't like it. If say Ward-Prowse was a known nightmare then OK I can understand it but Ward-Prowse? Not a fucking chance he deserved being launched out the door amd I suspect many of the current Squad have felt likewise. It certainly aint a move that's going to ingratiate himself to other players if that's how he treats someone like Ward-Prowse. Then I look at how his managed Wilson, then a pattern emerges not being a one-off of oddball moves.

[El Scorchio]

No you're missing the point a bit on Ward-Prowse. Although I wasn't one who shared the opinion he was totally useless in our Midfield he can be useful. His numbers proved that in his 1st season here when he arrived. It's the fact when you are up against it, you don't then fuck the fella off who is always available unlike other sicknotes like Fullkunt was who didn't give a shit other than himself. Ward-Prowse can at times be relied upon, has leadership qualities, injury free yet this arrogant clown fucks him right off out of it the second he waltzes through the door. Ward-Prowse who is never a troublemaker, has the right attitude and an honest experienced Pro which everyone rightly says we now lack in matchday Squads. That shit to me was alarming as it sends out all the wrong signals and messages to the rest of the Squad. Also relegation battles, beggar's can't be choosers yet we wilfully fucked him off even though he's fit and able. Fucking bizarre move that I couldn't understand why more weren't up in arms with such weirdo management.

Now when we look back on his body of shit work managing us, he's then gone on to make even more wacky tactics and decisions that leaves people thinking is this geezer an actual Crackhead or what.. He didn't give Wilson a single minute in the opening 3 games and only chucked him on near the end of a 3rd winnable game against Leeds with about 20 minutes left in the game (see also Fulham game).

Crackhead is on a madness and I'm sick of him sabotaging us most weeks. Fuck the cսnt off and let someone who actually cares and shows real urgency to to the situation instead of sleepwalking in to the 2nd Division.  

 

 

I cannot disagree more about JWP and I think you’re making a moot point just to take a swipe at the manager. He’d have made zero positive difference and likely a negative difference. Everyone was moanjng when Fernandes and Magassa came in and Potts was waiting and STILL JWP was getting 90 minutes in a team getting overrun and raped by Sunderland and Chelsea and more or less everyone else we played. Yeah he could hit a mean 5 yard sideways pass and despite clearly being a good guy he was so far off the pace of the game and gave no threat from set pieces any longer. We’d be worse off than we are now if he were playing and it was pretty much universally lauded on here when he was binned off. We have not missed him one iota. 

I respect that you want Nuno gone at any cost but we are not hiring anyone capable of saving us if we fire him anyway. We will still go down without a whimper but just with some other patsy or fall guy in the dugout for all of us to moan about. Do you really want to see a shadow of himself Bilic looking lost and sad on the sideline destroying the reputation he still carries amongst us as we still lose game after game anyway, most likely still picking the same team Nuno is and not playing a striker half the time as he still has the exact same problems and squad deficiencies as the current and past two managers?

[Massive Attack]

As for Wilson he has alienated him because not just shunning him completely for his 1st 3 games in charge not giving him a minute before eventually chucking him on against Leeds, he has only started him in 5 of those 13 matches available, fit and able. 

During the only times he has started him have we had our best performances as a Team - Newcastle W, Burnley W, Bournemouth D, Liverpool L, Manchester Utd D. Now he's back to just sticking him on the bench has our form and performances gone to absolute ratshit losing the last 3 games where he's played little trying to feed off scraps. He should be starting him near enough every game.

[goose]

The notion that no manager could have delivered a better set of results than Nuno is laughable.

He is making Lopetegui look like a genius.

 

[goose]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

For me, this is bordering on delusional

 

 

You’ll see when we go down. 
AWB, Diouf, Todibo, Fernandes, Magassa, Bowen, Summerville, Paqueta will all move to top division clubs here or abroad.

[El Scorchio]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

Our ‘strikers’ are flat out the worst in the division hands down and probably worse than half the sides in the championship. Our defence is easily bottom three or five in the division. Our midfield and goalkeeper is mid table and our wide attacking players are Bowen and fuck all else. We don’t just need a couple of leaders or high character players. We need leaders who are also high quality players to stand any chance. We are so far short in the current squad. 

our one striker has a goals per minute ratio amongst the best in the league. Wilson scores goals if you create chances.
he cannot score goals if he's not on the pitch.

Diouf and AWB are not bad defenders. We looked way more solid without Kilman but Nuno decided to bring him back into the side.
i'm not saying they are a great unit, but they are not the worst.

if you constantly sit back with a poor defence then you will eventually concede goals.
if you do not play a striker you will not score many goals.

Brentford at home, Leeds away, Bournemout away, Fulham at home are all games where his decisions have cost us points.

 

 

He also can’t last a game or play games in succession. If he was able to, then he’d be being flogged to death obviously- see Chris Wood last season. There is fuck all else at the club. As a collection our strike force is unquestionably the worst in the entire division and it’s silly to say Nuno has an aversion to strikers considering Wood played 67 times in two season for him, scoring 34 goals. Logic says that the last three or four managers we’ve had haven’t just forgotten strikers exist exclusively at West Ham despite using them freely before and afterward. They haven’t had any good reliable ones to use thanks to you know who. 

yeah our full backs are ok (Diouf has been dodgy as fuck at times mind you) but central defence is a shit show. The manager deserves his share of stick for some decisions he’s made but the squad we have is easily bottom three or four in the division overall. I would say with certainty that only Wolves and Burnley are worse than us in terms of overall quality. 

I again come back to the thought that if we fire him we aren’t hiring anyone capable of saving us without needing to spend 100 million quid anyway and we’d waste most of the transfer window recruiting them so it’ll be the usual Sullivan shit specials or no one followed by certain relegation anyway. 

[Massive Attack]

No you're missing the point a bit on Ward-Prowse. Although I wasn't one who shared the opinion he was totally useless in our Midfield he can be useful. His numbers proved that in his 1st season here when he arrived. It's the fact when you are up against it, you don't then fuck the fella off who is always available unlike other sicknotes like Fullkunt was who didn't give a shit other than himself. Ward-Prowse can at times be relied upon, has leadership qualities, injury free yet this arrogant clown fucks him right off out of it the second he waltzes through the door. Ward-Prowse who is never a troublemaker, has the right attitude and an honest experienced Pro which everyone rightly says we now lack in matchday Squads. That shit to me was alarming as it sends out all the wrong signals and messages to the rest of the Squad. Also relegation battles, beggar's can't be choosers yet we wilfully fucked him off even though he's fit and able. Fucking bizarre move that I couldn't understand why more weren't up in arms with such weirdo management.

Now when we look back on his body of shit work managing us, he's then gone on to make even more wacky tactics and decisions that leaves people thinking is this geezer an actual Crackhead or what.. He didn't give Wilson a single minute in the opening 3 games and only chucked him on near the end of a 4th winnable game against Leeds with about 20 minutes left in the game (see also Fulham game).

Crackhead is on a madness and I'm sick of him sabotaging us most weeks. Fuck the cսnt off and let someone who actually cares and shows real urgency to to the situation instead of sleepwalking in to the 2nd Division.  

[Metroplex]

I agree that this isn't a relegation squad and neither is too late to stay up, unless we stick with this bottle job oddball

[El Scorchio]

But again, what actual manager capable of turning it around without at least 3-4 new, quality players is coming in to rescue us? 

If Nuno goes, the reality is we’ll only compound it by hiring an equal or worse manager who will still have all the same problems. 

 

No new manager is any guarantee to keep us up now. What it would likely achieve though is getting the Team bang at it with the right mentality and belief that they can do the unlikely of trying to keep us up. And OK sure it might not work but it at the very least under the right manager get us giving it a proper go. I just don't see much of that after 13 games now looking as flat and worse than ever during that time. 

The likes of Club favourites Carrick, Bilic or maybe even an absolute nutter maverick in Di Canio (Kept Sunderland up in a seemingly hopeless relegation position at the time) can not only inspire the Team and Staff, but also re-energizeand inspire an entire Fanbase that's also on the floor expecting the worst now. This Club is one of those that can rise from the ashes if it's tapped in to the right way which is something that could be the difference in staying up or going down. Nuno hasn't managed that, instead he has immediately chosen to alienate half decent experienced Premier League Pros in Ward-Prowse and Wilson as soon as he walked through the door. That says a lot about the arrogant twat who clearly has no use for his nose as he constantly tries to rip it off to spite his crackhead face.

 

 

The same ward prowse everyone highlighted as the reason we were so poor in midfield. Come on. Everyone rejoiced when he was dropped and it’s absolute whataboutism to point to dropping him as a reason we aren’t doing well. You wouldn’t put him back in for any of the players currently in the team. Wilson has played 13 times in 18 games. That’s hardly being alienated. Wilson won’t start playing 90 minutes game in game out under any manager. 

I hate to say it again but this squad is way beyond needing motivation to pick things up to the required level. It needs serious additions. When was the last time we had a new manager bounce? Carrick, Bilic or Di Canio are not of the quality to save us or make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear without getting at least 4 new, proper players and Sullivan would just bully them out of it anyway being cheap unemployed ‘grateful’ pliable managers as per usual. Di Canio would also be the best striker at the club if he became manager. 

None of this is to say Nuno is doing a good job, but none of those name is going to do any better in terms of results, even if they try to play with a different philosophy. 

[onsideman]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

For me, this is bordering on delusional

[goose]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

Our ‘strikers’ are flat out the worst in the division hands down and probably worse than half the sides in the championship. Our defence is easily bottom three or five in the division. Our midfield and goalkeeper is mid table and our wide attacking players are Bowen and fuck all else. We don’t just need a couple of leaders or high character players. We need leaders who are also high quality players to stand any chance. We are so far short in the current squad. 

our one striker has a goals per minute ratio amongst the best in the league. Wilson scores goals if you create chances.
he cannot score goals if he's not on the pitch.

Diouf and AWB are not bad defenders. We looked way more solid without Kilman but Nuno decided to bring him back into the side.
i'm not saying they are a great unit, but they are not the worst.

if you constantly sit back with a poor defence then you will eventually concede goals.
if you do not play a striker you will not score many goals.

Brentford at home, Leeds away, Bournemout away, Fulham at home are all games where his decisions have cost us points.

[Massive Attack]

But again, what actual manager capable of turning it around without at least 3-4 new, quality players is coming in to rescue us? 

If Nuno goes, the reality is we’ll only compound it by hiring an equal or worse manager who will still have all the same problems. 

 

 

No new manager is any guarantee to keep us up now. What it would likely achieve though is getting the Team bang at it with the right mentality and belief that they can do the unlikely of trying to keep us up. And OK sure it might not work but at the very least under the right manager get us giving it a proper go. I just don't see much of that after 13 games now looking as flat and worse than ever during that time. 

The likes of Club favourites Carrick, Bilic or maybe even an absolute nutter maverick in Di Canio (Kept Sunderland up in a seemingly hopeless relegation position at the time) can not only inspire the Team and Staff, but also re-energise and inspire an entire Fanbase that's also on the floor expecting the worst now. It would make it fun again which is something our poor long suffering fans have been craving just as much as better results. These managers would saunter in and metaphorically tickle all our bollocks (and tits in Nurseys case) and everyone will respond to it. This Club is one of those that can rise from the ashes if it's tapped in to the right way which is something that could be the difference in staying up or going down. Nuno hasn't managed that, instead he has immediately chosen to alienate half decent experienced Premier League Pros in Ward-Prowse and Wilson as soon as he walked through the door. That says a lot about the arrogant twat who clearly has no use for his nose as he constantly tries to rip it off to spite his crackhead face.

[El Scorchio]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

Our ‘strikers’ are flat out the worst in the division hands down and probably worse than half the sides in the championship. Our defence is easily bottom three or five in the division. Our midfield and goalkeeper is mid table and our wide attacking players are Bowen and fuck all else. We don’t just need a couple of leaders or high character players. We need leaders who are also high quality players to stand any chance. We are so far short in the current squad. 

Getting the manager’s actual back room staff in would have been a start rather than yet another half measure of just using the academy coaching staff. It’s an embarrassment and a disgrace from top to bottom thanks to the person holding the reins of this utter shit show of a club.  

[BRANDED]

Lack of leaders on and off the pitch

[goose]

I don't think the quality of our squad is much worse than any other in the bottom half. The problem is mentality and approach.

get a couple of leaders in at either end of the pitch. maybe even get Antonio back to play off the bench. we need leaders. we have a squad of players who are used to losing.

and then maybe try playing an attacker or two to actually try and win some games.

[El Scorchio]

But again, what actual manager capable of turning it around without at least 3-4 new, quality players is coming in to rescue us? 

If Nuno goes, the reality is we’ll only compound it by hiring an equal or worse manager who will still have all the same problems.