Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[Rossal]

Wasn't fussed about JWP being frozen out as he was dogshit this season.  But what was weird was the use of Irving and Guido over him......guess thats the state of our squad the first few months of season.

Letting Alvarez go on loan was a howler, cheers Potter 

[Mad Ferret]

How’s he’s had Potts starting games but JWP not even making the squad is a joke in itself.

[Metroplex]

Not really, it's just about common sense. It was daft to have him starting every game no matter what, just as its daft to completely exclude him from everything. 

[twoleftfeet]

It’s funny how a players stock rises when he isn’t playing. 3 months ago there was nothing but hatred for JWP and everyone wanted him dropped. Nuno drops him and now some of you are lamenting his lack of game time , let’s just remember how average he was.

[onsideman]

Would never claim it's good, that we all agree on. Just there's a lot more that can be seriously squeezed out of it when a Manager isn't playing players in totally different positions they're not used to playing in. Or worse left on the Bench or even banished from a Matchday Squad altogether.

I didn't bring up the money either. Focussed on ability.

*Looks over in Ward-Prowse and now Wilsons direction left dumped in the lost property box*

Anyone looking for either a fit and available set-piece specialist and a Premier League goalscoring specialist?

 

 

To be fair, JWP was originally cast out by your mate.

Then he brought in Rodriguez

This month will obviously show who, if anyone, values his attributes 

[goose]

Is that a joke Manny?

[Manuel]

I don't have much to base this on, but I would not be unhappy if Nuno stays on for next season. Yes, results have been shocking for him thus far, but is he really a shit manager? I would doubt it. He also seems to have a determined character and sees himself as a winner and think would give everything to get us back up first time around. It also means we don't have to start again hiring someone new.

Gut tells me the owners and Nuno have agreed they are in for the long haul and will spend this window and the coming months moulding his squad for next season. I fancy Nuno can see and appreciate what a big club we are, with great fans, and wants to be 'one of us'. All IMO of course.

[Massive Attack]

Would never claim it's good, that we all agree on. Just there's a lot more that can be seriously squeezed out of it when a Manager isn't playing players in totally different positions they're not used to playing in. Or worse left on the Bench or even banished from a Matchday Squad altogether.

I didn't bring up the money either. Focussed on ability.

*Looks over in Ward-Prowse and now Wilsons direction left dumped in the lost property box*

Anyone looking for either a fit and available set-piece specialist and a Premier League goalscoring specialist?

[southbankbornnbred]

I wouldn’t say our players are invariably better than theirs.

Some of our players are. Several of our players are worse than their first choices.

That’s the issue with our recruitment. It has been terrible and we’ve massively overspent on poor players - the quality of which other sides bought at much cheaper prices.

Which Squad is better than our Squad of players man for man out of Burnley, Sunderland and Leeds? 

I’m not saying they are better - I’m saying that they are as good as us, because we are an over-rated side. Sunderland have a better keeper than us, they have a more dominant centre half than we have and they have a harder working midfield. For example. Sure, we’re stronger than them in some positions (they have nobody as good as Bowen going forward etc).

But don’t make the mistake of thinking that transfer fees equate to quality. Look at Kilman - £40m of utter shite. Ballard has been a better CB, for example. Many of our big signings have not really done it yet - Fernandes or Magassa have had worse seasons than Xhaka, for example.

I think Sunderland are bang average and might suffer from second season syndrome.

But we do not have a good squad.

[Massive Attack]

Then we could get on to Bowen if he was managed right, not constantly played in a very defensive Team set-up afraid to attack who has goals galore in him waiting to burst out.

He is a serious quality player who pisses all over most Squads alternatives. Sadly the Nuno Effect has sucked the life out the poor cսnt that we easily forget just what a talent he is - managing just 4 goals under this wally wasting him.

Any of those 3 Squads would be in dream world to have him in theirs to call upon and they must wonder what the fuck we're playing at wasting his ability like we have, often played up top out of position sometimes at Wilsons expense even though he's shit at it.

[Massive Attack]

I'd have and play Wilson from the start regularly (not this in and out the side shit) over any of them. As long as he avoided picking up an injury which I personally believe he would have on the evidence so far not breaking down or picking up an injury thus far after 800 mins he would have regularly found the net more than any of them.

He's scored 4 without even trying or given much rhythm to regularly play so I think it's fair to expect him to deliver far more than 4 goals that he already has on limited bitty run outs. In the end this prat chose to trust Fullkrug and Paqueta up front 4 games in long before he gave him a go available every single time but overlooked until injury forced his hand.

Then after playing Wilson regularly from the start of games we then would have leaned on Fullkrug and other Forwards to chip in with goals etc which I'd have over them.

My frustration is we can't complain too much as a Club for not having a decent Striker regularly starting when we've wilfully kept overlooking him. Others are welcome to believe he is about to break down at any minute if they wish but I just don't believe he would have and has desperately wanted to play more not less. That's just 1 position.
 

[onsideman]

Which Squad is better than our Squad of players man for man out of Burnley, Sunderland and Leeds? 

I think Sunderland's squad is better than ours, man for man... but they did spend over £150m... and very well

And I would say that Leeds' squad is better balanced if not better man for man

I dont know enough about Burnley 

Fair enough. I personally wouldn't swap our Squad with any of them. I could happily pick and choose between them all on an individual basis but if offered any of the Squads, I would have picked ours. Two of those promoted Teams are currently overachieving and Burnley about just where they should be. We are underperforming to the point it's beyond embarrassing. 

Yeah, we're underperforming on a huge scale, but I think it's hard to argue a case for our back 5 versus Sunderland's... man for man... and in Xhaka and Diarra they have the pick of the midfield. Then it just comes down to Brobbey, Myenda and Isador versus (before 2 Jan) Wilson on his lonesome 

[Massive Attack]

I wouldn’t say our players are invariably better than theirs.

Some of our players are. Several of our players are worse than their first choices.

That’s the issue with our recruitment. It has been terrible and we’ve massively overspent on poor players - the quality of which other sides bought at much cheaper prices.

Which Squad is better than our Squad of players man for man out of Burnley, Sunderland and Leeds? 

I think Sunderland's squad is better than ours, man for man... but they did spend over £150m... and very well

And I would say that Leeds' squad is better balanced if not better man for man

I dont know enough about Burnley 

Fair enough. I personally wouldn't swap our Squad with any of them. I could happily pick and choose between them all on an individual basis but if offered any of the Squads, I would have picked ours. Two of those promoted Teams are currently overachieving and Burnley about just where they should be. We are underperforming to the point it's beyond embarrassing. 

[Any Old Iron]

I have one question.  Is there anyone on here who wants to keep Espirito Santo as manager, anyone at all?
I can’t see a single reason why he should not be fired immediately. His record is atrocious and his methodology when it comes to line ups and subs is weird in the extreme. 
He has to go, no matter what it costs Sullivan.
 

[onsideman]

I wouldn’t say our players are invariably better than theirs.

Some of our players are. Several of our players are worse than their first choices.

That’s the issue with our recruitment. It has been terrible and we’ve massively overspent on poor players - the quality of which other sides bought at much cheaper prices.

Which Squad is better than our Squad of players man for man out of Burnley, Sunderland and Leeds? 

I think Sunderland's squad is better than ours, man for man... but they did spend over £150m... and very well

And I would say that Leeds' squad is better balanced if not better man for man

I dont know enough about Burnley 

[Massive Attack]

I wouldn’t say our players are invariably better than theirs.

Some of our players are. Several of our players are worse than their first choices.

That’s the issue with our recruitment. It has been terrible and we’ve massively overspent on poor players - the quality of which other sides bought at much cheaper prices.

Which Squad is better than our Squad of players man for man out of Burnley, Sunderland and Leeds? 

[southbankbornnbred]

Where I completely agree with you on the players, is that we have still got a sizeable crop of them who, with the right management and coaching, have serious potential (even if they’re not proven at the highest level yet): Potts, Todibo, Fernandes, Diouf, Scarles etc. 

All of them need a top-class manager and set of coaches to maximise their potential in the way that Bowen has.

Instead, at management level we’ve been served warm diarrhoea through a succession of cheap, unemployed and clueless folk.

 

[southbankbornnbred]

I wouldn’t say our players are invariably better than theirs.

Some of our players are. Several of our players are worse than their first choices.

That’s the issue with our recruitment. It has been terrible and we’ve massively overspent on poor players - the quality of which other sides bought at much cheaper prices.

[Massive Attack]

Something that's bothered me when I keep hearing people say, well Nuno can't really be blamed as he's dealing with a shit Squad that's better suited to the Championship.

The Squad...

Areola - Not a Championship level player 

Wan-Bissaka - Not a Championship level player

Todibo - Not a Championship level player

Diouf - Not a Championship level player

Scarles - Not a Championship level player 

Fernandes - Not a Championship level player

Potts- Not a Championship level player

Soucek - Not a Championship level player

Paqueta - Not a Championship level player 

Bowen - Not a Championship level player

Wilson - Not a Championship level player

Ward-Prowse - Not a Championship level player (who he instantly ostracised for no good reason)

Fullkrug - Not a Championship level player (when he had him to use)


You could even argue that some others aren't either but in the main this Squad as poor as it is, still shouldn't be facing relegation unless it's more to do with how poorly managed it has been by both clueless wankers Potter and Nuno.

And even those questioned about their fitness availability in Wilson and Fullkrug they have been available a lot of the time and we aint really suffered greatly as a Team this season with injuries.

Not withstanding the fact he was also seriously backed with 2 new Forwards at great expense. 

I'm sick of the excuses made for this hopeless hobo who looks more eager to get his next fix off his dealer than to get us any points on the board.

Have to politely disagree with you here, Massive. Five of the guys you’ve listed - Potts, Scarles, Diouf, KWP, and Fernandes - have not “yet” proved themselves to be worthy, weekly Premier League-level starters for a side that is capable of staying in the division.

Its not to say they can’t be. But they have not yet proved themselves at the highest level.

You could make a case for Todibo, but he’s been a huge disappointment realistically.

Of the others you listed, you could make a compelling case for saying three of them are at the stage where the peak of their careers are behind them: Wilson, Fullkrug and Soucek. With two of them, Fullkrug and Wilson, injuries have ravaged them.

A further player on your list - Ward-Prowse - has been bereft of confidence for years has had any positive intent actively coached out of him by a succession of poor managers. Genuinely, I cannot recall the last time the guy played a defence-splitting pass (it was years ago) and he’s certainly never bossed a Premier League game from midfield for West Ham. Ever - even on his best day. Yet we spent £30m on him.

And, of course, you’ve left out the large number of our squad who are more self-evidently not regular Premier League level. I said a year ago that Kilman will never play for a team that finishes in the top 10 in this country. He really won’t - any decent scout will tell you. He can’t run, tackle, jump or head the ball. He’s a relegation battle waiting to happen, and probably more suited to the Championship (but not on his wages!). But you can add Hermansen, Mavrapanos and others.

Bowen, Paqueta and AWB aside (and Paqueta has checked out), we’ve got an almost entire squad of unproven or poor quality players. And no leadership.

We’ve allowed a poor chairman wedded to 20th century ways to appoint a succession of poor managers who’ve spent a lot of money poorly.

And that’s why we will get relegated. Nobody in a position of authority at West Ham currently has the ability to recognise and secure nailed-on Premier League talent. So we won’t be a Premier League team for much longer. This league will do that to you.

To be fair, I didn't mention Walker-Peters, not a fan of his..

The key point I make though is there has been 3 promoted Championship sides that have all either fared much better or in Burnleys case almost matched us than our crop of better players (they are) by comparison. And in both Sunderland and Leeds cases significantly done better compared to our League position and points total right now. That is on the Manager.

[southbankbornnbred]

Something that's bothered me when I keep hearing people say, well Nuno can't really be blamed as he's dealing with a shit Squad that's better suited to the Championship.

The Squad...

Areola - Not a Championship level player 

Wan-Bissaka - Not a Championship level player

Todibo - Not a Championship level player

Diouf - Not a Championship level player

Scarles - Not a Championship level player 

Fernandes - Not a Championship level player

Potts- Not a Championship level player

Soucek - Not a Championship level player

Paqueta - Not a Championship level player 

Bowen - Not a Championship level player

Wilson - Not a Championship level player

Ward-Prowse - Not a Championship level player (who he instantly ostracised for no good reason)

Fullkrug - Not a Championship level player (when he had him to use)


You could even argue that some others aren't either but in the main this Squad as poor as it is, still shouldn't be facing relegation unless it's more to do with how poorly managed it has been by both clueless wankers Potter and Nuno.

And even those questioned about their fitness availability in Wilson and Fullkrug they have been available a lot of the time and we aint really suffered greatly as a Team this season with injuries.

Not withstanding the fact he was also seriously backed with 2 new Forwards at great expense. 

I'm sick of the excuses made for this hopeless hobo who looks more eager to get his next fix off his dealer than to get us any points on the board.

Have to politely disagree with you here, Massive. Five of the guys you’ve listed - Potts, Scarles, Diouf, KWP, and Fernandes - have not “yet” proved themselves to be worthy, weekly Premier League-level starters for a side that is capable of staying in the division.

Its not to say they can’t be. But they have not yet proved themselves at the highest level.

You could make a case for Todibo, but he’s been a huge disappointment realistically.

Of the others you listed, you could make a compelling case for saying three of them are at the stage where the peak of their careers are behind them: Wilson, Fullkrug and Soucek. With two of them, Fullkrug and Wilson, injuries have ravaged them.

A further player on your list - Ward-Prowse - has been bereft of confidence for years has had any positive intent actively coached out of him by a succession of poor managers. Genuinely, I cannot recall the last time the guy played a defence-splitting pass (it was years ago) and he’s certainly never bossed a Premier League game from midfield for West Ham. Ever - even on his best day. Yet we spent £30m on him.

And, of course, you’ve left out the large number of our squad who are more self-evidently not regular Premier League level. I said a year ago that Kilman will never play for a team that finishes in the top 10 in this country. He really won’t - any decent scout will tell you. He can’t run, tackle, jump or head the ball. He’s a relegation battle waiting to happen, and probably more suited to the Championship (but not on his wages!). But you can add Hermansen, Mavrapanos and others.

Bowen, Paqueta and AWB aside (and Paqueta has checked out), we’ve got an almost entire squad of unproven or poor quality players. And no leadership.

We’ve allowed a poor chairman wedded to 20th century ways to appoint a succession of poor managers who’ve spent a lot of money poorly.

And that’s why we will get relegated. Nobody in a position of authority at West Ham currently has the ability to recognise and secure nailed-on Premier League talent. So we won’t be a Premier League team for much longer. This league will do that to you.

[Massive Attack]

If people really want to see what a genuine Championship Team that's just come up compares to our pitiful 14 points in the league, look no further than Burnley on 12 (with a game in hand still), Leeds on 22 and Sunderland on 30 in 8th place fighting for a European place.

Yet we are all to believe we are a Championship Team with no quality whatsoever to call upon and just 14 points after 21 games with no other distractions is to be expected...

The Managers this season have been massively at fault.

[zico]

I don't know if it's difficult with the modern footballer who earns a fortune without actually achieving anything and has everything done for them but many managers today don't seem to have the knack of man management as well as many being tactically inept.  In their defence that must be difficult if others are buying players you don't want.  Never understoond that in the modern game, managers (or head coaches as they are now called) should have carte blanche on who comes in.  I really don't know how you can manage if the players aren't yours.

Ferguson, Clough, O'Neill, Robson and many others in the 70's and 80's all had it in abundance, they knew when a kick up the arse or a cuddle was needed.  I wouldn't particularly say many of them were master tacticians but they knew how to get the best out of players and their recruitment was generally good.

That's where, whether you like him or not, Harry was good at what he did on a budget, (not so much with a few £££'s to spend!)  He could make a player think he was better than he was, and knew how to handle them.  Who else could have got a tune out of Di Canio?  That may be the one weakness Bonzo had in management.  He was such a hard worker, always gave 100% as a player, totally honest and I don''t think he could understand how players couldn't or wouldn't be the same in their commitment. Harry was a kidder, Billy I don't think could ever be like that. 

None of our managers in recent times seem to have that.  I suspect Moyes had their respect but can imagine he probably wouldn't talk to you if you had pissed him off.  Loppy didn't seem to have a clue, Potter just looked too weak and Nuno seems hell bent on alienating anyone.  His demeanour in press conferences doesn't instil confidence, and we have seen with both Wilson and JWP his man management is poor.  He just isn't getting anything out of what he has. 

[Massive Attack]

Something that's bothered me when I keep hearing people say, well Nuno can't really be blamed as he's dealing with a shit Squad that's better suited to the Championship.

The Squad...

Areola - Not a Championship level player 

Wan-Bissaka - Not a Championship level player

Todibo - Not a Championship level player

Diouf - Not a Championship level player

Scarles - Not a Championship level player 

Fernandes - Not a Championship level player

Potts- Not a Championship level player

Soucek - Not a Championship level player

Paqueta - Not a Championship level player 

Bowen - Not a Championship level player

Wilson - Not a Championship level player

Ward-Prowse - Not a Championship level player (who he instantly ostracised for no good reason)

Fullkrug - Not a Championship level player (when he had him to use)


You could even argue that some others aren't either but in the main this Squad as poor as it is, still shouldn't be facing relegation unless it's more to do with how poorly managed it has been by both clueless wankers Potter and Nuno.

And even those questioned about their fitness availability in Wilson and Fullkrug they have been available a lot of the time and we aint really suffered greatly as a Team this season with injuries.

Not withstanding the fact he was also seriously backed with 2 new Forwards at great expense. 

I'm sick of the excuses made for this hopeless hobo who looks more eager to get his next fix off his dealer than to get us any points on the board.

[Massive Attack]

No word of him being sacked today. How shit do we have to be for him to lose his job?

Last I heard on SSN is West Ham are considering offering him a new improved contract for doing such an impressive job since he arrived. He has their full backing and sympathies for the job he's had to take on and see no issue kissing and hugging the opposition players he used to manage barely months ago grinning like a Cheshire cսnt straight after another loss at Home. Nor do they mind seeing him skulking down the tunnel like a coward straight away against Wolves only days earlier in a thumping loss to the worst Team to play in the Premier League. Even though by his own admittance he was bothered himself he did that.

No win in 10 consecutive games and 0 clean sheets at all for the defensive coaching mastermind.

[goose]

No word of him being sacked today. How shit do we have to be for him to lose his job?