Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[BoleynGone]

Massive.
Agreed
Pundits,utubers and fans suggest that Nuno has made some players better.
I don't agree,

AWB has become half the player he was last season.
Diuof 2 assits under Potter nothing under Nuno
Kilman , his own man, has got a lot,lot worse.
Mavro got worse,only looks an average player next to Todibo
Todibo - well he was a good player anyway but for awhile he looked worse under Nuno,has improved.
Paqueta - looks bang average,has more yellow and red cards than assists or goals., much worse.
Summerville - looked good under Potter then was injured, got worse
Bowen, no where near the player,he has been, missing out on the WC at this rate
 

[Metroplex]

A team devoid of any leaders, fighters or scrappers, 7 points from safety, all while teams around us are showing the grit and metal to survive, that we embarrassingly lack, and the rancid midget pimp puts his faith in yet another defeatist coward of a manager with a truly abysmal record since joining us.

The writing truly is on the wall 
 

[El Scorchio]

Nuno has parked this Team like no other manager before him, I even include Moyes in that. 

Moyes was just as bad if not worse. And Potter while not quite as defensive in terms of territory was equally shit going forward. This problem is larger than just Nuno but he's absolutely carried on with it.

[Massive Attack]

Nuno has parked this Team like no other manager before him, I even include Moyes in that. 

[El Scorchio]

Both our wingers get utterly isolated a lot of the time. Bowen can deal with it better and we generally are better attacking down the right, but it's still weak. A huge problem is that players just do not get forward fast enough. Other teams manage it easily but we always seem to have two defenders on everyone. We are so easy to contain. I did like that Taty offered more movement than we are used to but still everyone seems so reluctant to get forward quickly.

 

We are easy to contain because we do the oppositions job for them by containing ourselves a lot of the time in our own half. We aint just playing with the handbrake on, we are baracaded in to our own box by a 44 tonne artic lorry parked by that gutless cսnt of a manager. The Nuno Effect. 

It's not even that. It was like that under Moyes, Lop and Potter as well. Four managers and virtually a whole different set of players. The same problems I saw under Moyes have not changed.

[Massive Attack]

JWP is a really strange one.  Play golf with a mate who supports Southampton and he was gutted to lose JWP saying even in relegation season he shone in a poor Southampton team.  He was really surprised to see him bombed out at West Ham, and was baffled watching MOTD why someone like Guido Rodriguez was playing ahead of him, which is a fair point.  Certainly he never showed much when he was playing for us, but can the same be said for other players where some do well at other clubs then become total misfits at West Ham?  We certainly have form for it. After all Summerville was named Leeds Players’ Player of the Season for the 2023/24 with 18 goals and nine assists across all competitions from 43 matches played.  Is the gulf really that big from the Championship to the PL or is it that West Ham curse when good players turn to shit?

So here's the thing I was alluding to before about extracting more out of his sorry Team as it currently stands. Now I'm not sure if he's more Championship than Premier League but 3 seasons ago when he was raw new on the scene in a worse Leeds side he managed to score 4 goals as well as 3 assists. He currently has 0 goals to his name. So that's where I'm looking directly back at the sad sack in charge to say what are you playing at not getting more out of him when we know there's more to offer? 

And there's plenty more examples of that throughout the Squad. The Squad overall isn't good but in the same breathe it can also do a lot more too if managed in a positive way that gets the best out of them playing to their strengths.

So we are dogshit as Defending, so don't ask them to defend even more to compensate. Ask the opposite of them to get up the pitch causing havoc then we might be surprised to find it helps relieve the pressure on a long suffering defence that's crying out for a break from endless wave of attacks. Best form of defence for me has always been to attack. That is if we ever had a Manager that believed in that shit too..

[Massive Attack]

Both our wingers get utterly isolated a lot of the time. Bowen can deal with it better and we generally are better attacking down the right, but it's still weak. A huge problem is that players just do not get forward fast enough. Other teams manage it easily but we always seem to have two defenders on everyone. We are so easy to contain. I did like that Taty offered more movement than we are used to but still everyone seems so reluctant to get forward quickly.

 

 

We are easy to contain because we do the oppositions job for them by containing ourselves a lot of the time in our own half. We aint just playing with the handbrake on, we are baracaded in to our own box by a 44 tonne artic lorry parked by that gutless cսnt of a manager. The Nuno Effect. 

[El Scorchio]

Both our wingers get utterly isolated a lot of the time. Bowen can deal with it better and we generally are better attacking down the right, but it's still weak. A huge problem is that players just do not get forward fast enough. Other teams manage it easily but we always seem to have two defenders on everyone. We are so easy to contain. I did like that Taty offered more movement than we are used to but still everyone seems so reluctant to get forward quickly.

[zico]

I feel a bit for Summerville, for me he works his nuts off. He is positive going forward, he always tries to carry the ball up field and is positive in both his dribbling and his passing. 

He needs to add more goals to his game for sure, but alot of good things going forward usually involve him. If we had a striker last year and this year his assist stats would surely be higher. It's hard for a player like him, he beats a man beats another then wants to slot it through to a striker on the run. We haven't had that striker for years. 

Its also hard when Nuno seems to sub him off before 60 mins alot of the time. 

I like him, I think he is a threat on the left and the best is yet to come. If we were to replace him it would be with someone with the exact same attributes......pace, dribbling and can take someone on. Worth sticking with for me, we need to add some competition for that side but I wouldnt replace him. 


 

I agree, a player like that needs a striker beside him.  He is a whippet, but probably has a problem when he suddenly finds himself near the oppositions area only to see that some of the lumbering forwards we have are 20 yards behind him.

[Rossal]

I feel a bit for Summerville, for me he works his nuts off. He is positive going forward, he always tries to carry the ball up field and is positive in both his dribbling and his passing. 

He needs to add more goals to his game for sure, but alot of good things going forward usually involve him. If we had a striker last year and this year his assist stats would surely be higher. It's hard for a player like him, he beats a man beats another then wants to slot it through to a striker on the run. We haven't had that striker for years. 

Its also hard when Nuno seems to sub him off before 60 mins alot of the time. 

I like him, I think he is a threat on the left and the best is yet to come. If we were to replace him it would be with someone with the exact same attributes......pace, dribbling and can take someone on. Worth sticking with for me, we need to add some competition for that side but I wouldnt replace him. 

 

[Manuel]

I think Summerville will be an asset in the Championship, but that's not why we bought him.

[southbankbornnbred]

Maybe Summerville doesn't have the potential. Maybe his physical limitations place a ceiling on him. Maybe his decision making is what it is. Maybe like so many good performers from the Championship, he's just not really PL level.

Possibly, Stubbo. You might be right.

I hope he improves. But right now he looks like another waste of money.

[Russ of the BML]

Maybe Summerville doesn't have the potential. Maybe his physical limitations place a ceiling on him. Maybe his decision making is what it is. Maybe like so many good performers from the Championship, he's just not really PL level.

Very much like Benrahma

[stubbo-admin]

Maybe Summerville doesn't have the potential. Maybe his physical limitations place a ceiling on him. Maybe his decision making is what it is. Maybe like so many good performers from the Championship, he's just not really PL level.

[southbankbornnbred]

Which is (in broad terms) the point that Massive Attack is making. And he's right about the bad management.

[southbankbornnbred]

Come on, it stands to reason that if you're a left winger like Summerville - you WILL get a lot more change (and goals) out of the right-backs for Rotherham, Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday than you will out of even the likes of us, Everton and Brentford. Let alone the world-class right backs at Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City etc.

He had a great season for Leeds in 2023/24. But think about the players he faced almost every week - and think about who he's up against now.

The frustrating thing with Summerville is that he is taking an age to make the step up consistently. He clearly has the potential. But that's probably down to bad coaching, tactics etc.

[zico]

Interesting especially when you hear some people say you get more space and time in the PL because they just close you down and kick you in the Championship.  Maybe that's changed in recent years as the powers that be have changed rules to move towards a non contact sport!  I think Summerville could be a very good player, with the right coaching.  If he improved his finishing, last ball and decision making he would be decent.  That's called coaching.

[southbankbornnbred]

That's not to say that he can't, btw. But he - like many others in our squad - needs to add more quality and consistency to his game.

[southbankbornnbred]

JWP is a really strange one.  Play golf with a mate who supports Southampton and he was gutted to lose JWP saying even in relegation season he shone in a poor Southampton team.  He was really surprised to see him bombed out at West Ham, and was baffled watching MOTD why someone like Guido Rodriguez was playing ahead of him, which is a fair point.  Certainly he never showed much when he was playing for us, but can the same be said for other players where some do well at other clubs then become total misfits at West Ham?  We certainly have form for it. After all Summerville was named Leeds Players’ Player of the Season for the 2023/24 with 18 goals and nine assists across all competitions from 43 matches played.  Is the gulf really that big from the Championship to the PL or is it that West Ham curse when good players turn to shit?

On the Summerville point the answer is simple: yes, it's a big - often huge - gulf between playing in the Championship and playing against the best of the Premier League.

There's a huge difference between tearing the full-backs from Rotherham, Huddersfield, Birmingham, Sheffield Wednesday and Plymouth to shreds every week...and then going up against the top 15 sides in the Premier League, with their international full-backs.

The Championship is a decent level league, and we'll have a battle on our hands to get out of it next season - because we'll lose our best players. But it's not a patch on the Premier League, as so many sides and players have shown. So far, Summerville has not made the leap.

[zico]

JWP is a really strange one.  Play golf with a mate who supports Southampton and he was gutted to lose JWP saying even in relegation season he shone in a poor Southampton team.  He was really surprised to see him bombed out at West Ham, and was baffled watching MOTD why someone like Guido Rodriguez was playing ahead of him, which is a fair point.  Certainly he never showed much when he was playing for us, but can the same be said for other players where some do well at other clubs then become total misfits at West Ham?  We certainly have form for it. After all Summerville was named Leeds Players’ Player of the Season for the 2023/24 with 18 goals and nine assists across all competitions from 43 matches played.  Is the gulf really that big from the Championship to the PL or is it that West Ham curse when good players turn to shit?

[BoleynGone]

Rossal as relieved as anyone to him not playing but to be totally frozen out quite ridiculous especially when Irving and Rodriguez played. Now Irving is frozen out. Rodriguez stays. Soucek not playing then thrown in and he looked shot after 75 minutes.Still he played on. Expect Irving to start against QPR,probably the same for Igor. None of what this clown does makes sense. The lack of subs is quite extraordinary. The only times he uses them is ultra defensive moves. nothing attacking that's why he won't change. I still see the look on Wilson's face when he got subbed against Bournemouth,astonishment like all of us.
Just get rid of this Crackhead Clown now

[Russ of the BML]

Year after year you see teams that do not have household names and do not have players with status doing very well in the PL. Generally you will note that these clubs have a number of fundamental things:

1) A very good coach
2) A dynamic recruitment system
3) A playing style and ethos (from youth to senior)
4) A modern and current management structure
5) A good relationship between coach and management team

Its not rocket science. The coach is selected based on his coaching ability which shows the style and hits the data the management team want. The coach is interviewed and demonstrates that he understands and buys into the playing style and ethos. The recruitment system is designed around the playing style and ethos and so players are brought in that demonstrate that they play to that style by hitting the data. Recruitment, coaching and results are openly discussed and reviewed by coach and management team and adaptions are made to suit. 

Point is, its a whole system from 1 to 5. No fractures. No separation. No individualism. Full disclosure and transparency from top to bottom. All singing from the same song book and all rowing in the same direction. 

Look at Bournemouth, Brentford, Fulham, Sunderland, Brighton, even Palace to an extent. Clubs that have adapted to the modern football landscape. Clubs that have developed modern philosophies by employing young and dynamic management teams who use data and modern financial methods to navigate lower budgets, lower gates and FFP to maintain solid PL status, financial stability and also play a positive and progressive style of football. 

West Ham under Sullivan are:

1) Poor / Average coaches
2) No recruitment system
3) No playing style / ethos
4) An aging and out of touch management system
5) Poor relationships between coach and management team

We are a plane that has been losing fuel for miles and miles. And now we are too far out to sea to glide it to land. It was always going to crash. 

[southbankbornnbred]

Would never claim it's good, that we all agree on. Just there's a lot more that can be seriously squeezed out of it when a Manager isn't playing players in totally different positions they're not used to playing in. Or worse left on the Bench or even banished from a Matchday Squad altogether.

I didn't bring up the money either. Focussed on ability.

*Looks over in Ward-Prowse and now Wilsons direction left dumped in the lost property box*

Anyone looking for either a fit and available set-piece specialist and a Premier League goalscoring specialist?

 

 

I get you - and agree with you about Wilson. You know football.

Although I wouldn't hold a candle to Ward-Prowse. He has played 57 games for us and, genuinely, I can't recall him having a match where I thought: "We've bought a player here". He has been extremely poor for a £30m signing - and that's happened too often with other players who cost big fees or wages: Kilman, Alvarez, Rodridguez (wages), Fullkrug, Todibo, Mavrapanos, Magassa, Guilherme, Summerville, Hermandsen (who might need some therapy after his start). It's a long list of overpaid underachievers.

Which is why we are where we are. M&S can describe the ingredients however they like. But the proof of the pudding is always in the eating.

[Mad Dog]

Which Squad is better than our Squad of players man for man out of Burnley, Sunderland and Leeds? 

I think Sunderland's squad is better than ours, man for man... but they did spend over £150m... and very well

And I would say that Leeds' squad is better balanced if not better man for man

I dont know enough about Burnley 

Fair enough. I personally wouldn't swap our Squad with any of them. I could happily pick and choose between them all on an individual basis but if offered any of the Squads, I would have picked ours. Two of those promoted Teams are currently overachieving and Burnley about just where they should be. We are underperforming to the point it's beyond embarrassing. 

I don't think we're underperforming.  I think we're fucking shit and getting we deserve, and its all down to sullivan's incompetence

[threesixty]

I'd have and play Wilson from the start regularly (not this in and out the side shit) over any of them. As long as he avoided picking up an injury which I personally believe he would have on the evidence so far not breaking down or picking up an injury thus far after 800 mins he would have regularly found the net more than any of them.

He's scored 4 without even trying or given much rhythm to regularly play so I think it's fair to expect him to deliver far more than 4 goals that he already has on limited bitty run outs. In the end this prat chose to trust Fullkrug and Paqueta up front 4 games in long before he gave him a go available every single time but overlooked until injury forced his hand.

Then after playing Wilson regularly from the start of games we then would have leaned on Fullkrug and other Forwards to chip in with goals etc which I'd have over them.

My frustration is we can't complain too much as a Club for not having a decent Striker regularly starting when we've wilfully kept overlooking him. Others are welcome to believe he is about to break down at any minute if they wish but I just don't believe he would have and has desperately wanted to play more not less. That's just 1 position.



 

 

 

 

 

My caveat with Wilson is that why go on a pay as play contract if you’re generally quite fit and can prove it? I don’t think we know the whole story. It’s not making any sense. I’m guessing there may be a medical/insurance thing at play that means it’s hard for him to get a permanent contract. I can’t understand any PL player at his level accepting the deal he did. 

and also, why won’t West Ham enhance the deal to make it worth his while. We paid Ings a fortune to do fuck all for years and be 3rd/4th choose or whatever. I’m sure we could afford Wilson. It doesn’t make any sense.