New UK rules for Expats who are Dual Citizens

[Sydney_Iron]

This is fucking madness

Thought i would post as a few expats on here, expect in the same boat as me!

The UK Government is introducing rules saying anyone Born in the UK who now lives overseas and has taken dual citizenship and passport of that country, can ONLY travel to the UK if they have a British passport! 

British and Irish dual citizens bear costly brunt of UK passport changes - ABC News

My UK passport expired in 2009 and as i had an Australian passport as well couldn't see the point in paying for 2, living this side of the world the Australian makes things easier, going to NZ and other regional countries visa free etc, but now if i want to come to the UK i need get a British passport again but as it expired so long ago the steps i need to take are fucking insane.

Be easier to go to France and get a Dinghy across the channel, may even get free hotel accommodation as well 

[Far Cough UKunt]

There weren't too many Summarlions when I lived there.

[Cabbige Savage]

Jasnik, what state do you live in? I was in the frozen north Minnesota.

with the Summarlions?

[Jasnik]

CT

[Far Cough UKunt]

Jasnik, what state do you live in? I was in the frozen north Minnesota.

[Jasnik]

correct the US don't allow dual citizenship and you renounce it in the ceremony.
But the uk don't do anything when you do, unlike India who make you give theirs up.  




 

Yep, that's what they told me when I got my green card. I never did get round to applying for citizenship, almost did when 9/11 happened but I just never got round to doing it as I was busy as fuck at work.

So simple anything to do with the US they only see you as American. UK you really can't give up your citizenship so when in England  your a uk citerzen. Hence why.they say having British passports to come into the country. If you turn up without they would then try to check you out if you are British. St other documents etc then let you in, just you might be stuck at the airport for a while. Also if you can bet a ETA or whatever it is called I bet they would let  you in. So it really depends.on how easy you want to make it for yourself.

[fraser]

I was eligible to add an Australian passport to my British one when I lived there from 6 to 20 something 
Was told if I applied for one I had to tick a box saying I wouldn’t renew my British one when it came up for renewal 
Obeyed that and then was told by friends that they ticked the box and then renewed the British. 
Heard anecdotally that some who did that were then refused entry to Australia having used the UK one to travel from Australia 
I now have a British passport & get a tourist visa to visit Australia… going in March (thanks for asking)
Lost my Australian residency during covid as it required me to travel there once every 3 years

So you keep accusing me of being deported but you don't even have residency, while I'm an Australian citizen.. It's the same as your constant homophobic posts... So you're a closet gay who isn't allowed to live in Oz... This has amused me...

[Far Cough UKunt]

Sven, is your tourist visa, plastic?

[Fauxstralian]

I was eligible to add an Australian passport to my British one when I lived there from 6 to 20 something 
Was told if I applied for one I had to tick a box saying I wouldn’t renew my British one when it came up for renewal 
Obeyed that and then was told by friends that they ticked the box and then renewed the British. 
Heard anecdotally that some who did that were then refused entry to Australia having used the UK one to travel from Australia 
I now have a British passport & get a tourist visa to visit Australia… going in March (thanks for asking)
Lost my Australian residency during covid as it required me to travel there once every 3 years

[Far Cough UKunt]

correct the US don't allow dual citizenship and you renounce it in the ceremony.
But the uk don't do anything when you do, unlike India who make you give theirs up.  



 

Yep, that's what they told me when I got my green card. I never did get round to applying for citizenship, almost did when 9/11 happened but I just never got round to doing it as I was busy as fuck at work.

[goose]

I live in the US as a dual citizen. I do have two passports and no issue with that, but does this mwan that i could not visit the UK as a US citizen on my US passport. What would happen if i tried it then? would i be denied entry?

My brother lives in the US, he has US, UK and Italian passport and has had them at least 20 years no problems.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Shithole and gone to the dogs.

[Sydney_Iron]

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

 

 

Looks like it's nothing sinister or illegal migrant related, simply red tape and bureaucratic nonsense arond getting on flights to the UK Why not just say anyone on a non-UK passport (even if they are British) needs an ETA , if they don't want to pay it, then get a British passport?

Australians with British dual citizenship are about to see passport rules change – here’s what you need to know | Travel | The GuardianA House of Commons research briefing noted if a British dual national booked a flight using only their non-British passport, airlines wouldn’t know they were exempt from immigration control.“

There isn’t a specific legal requirement for British citizens to travel on a British passport,” the briefing read. “But in practice, pre-departure checks for UK-bound travellers make it difficult to travel to the UK without one.

”The briefing noted “people who can’t provide satisfactory evidence of their eligibility to come to the UK may be denied boarding, due to transport operators’ concerns about being fined for bringing inadequately documented passengers to the UK”.

That’s because airlines are required to check if a passenger has obtained an ETA before that person boards the plane.

The briefing continues that British dual citizens have been advised to travel using their British passport for “many months”, but the “transitional arrangements would end in early 2026”.

[Jasnik]

those replies were for ny hammer and knut 

[Jasnik]

correct the US don't allow dual citizenship and you renounce it in the ceremony.
But the uk don't do anything when you do, unlike India who make you give theirs up.  


 

[Jasnik]

No I think they would hold you up while they verified your British... 

Rather than what we currently do and wave our passport and walk straight through 

[fraser]

 

Its nothing new from Australia! Nor is it only Aussies that this new UK rule affects, its anyone who takes dual citizenship of any country or are born to UK nationals.

it’s been this way basically since Australian citizenship formally came into being and broke off from the UK, and it’s been implemented for decades now. Since about 2003/4 and airline passengers have been subject to Advance Passenger Processing, which is the system where an airline checking you in sends your passport details to Canberra and needs an “OK TO BOARD” response before they can complete your check in. If an Australian Citizen presents their other passport, they can’t check in.

And as far as im aware its not as anal as the UK have made it, all Australia says is you need to use an Australian passport if you are a Citizen to enter, renounce that and you can enter on any other passport as long as you have a Visa.

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???

Form MN1: guidance (accessible version) - GOV.UK

"A child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent"

Unless this is a future thing that is not correct, my daughter has UK and Portuguese passport and goes in and out on anyone and has no problems. I don't see why they don't let you get a visa on your Oz passport. But if they did I'll bet they would charge the same as a new UK passport! Ha ha, cunts.

February 25th I think 

[Mex Martillo]

Yes you need a visa and of course you can't get a visa if you're a British citizen. Same as I can't go back to Australia without an Aussie passport.. Australia did this first. 

Its nothing new from Australia! Nor is it only Aussies that this new UK rule affects, its anyone who takes dual citizenship of any country or are born to UK nationals.

it’s been this way basically since Australian citizenship formally came into being and broke off from the UK, and it’s been implemented for decades now. Since about 2003/4 and airline passengers have been subject to Advance Passenger Processing, which is the system where an airline checking you in sends your passport details to Canberra and needs an “OK TO BOARD” response before they can complete your check in. If an Australian Citizen presents their other passport, they can’t check in.

And as far as im aware its not as anal as the UK have made it, all Australia says is you need to use an Australian passport if you are a Citizen to enter, renounce that and you can enter on any other passport as long as you have a Visa.

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???

Form MN1: guidance (accessible version) - GOV.UK

"A child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent"

Unless this is a future thing that is not correct, my daughter has UK and Portuguese passport and goes in and out on anyone and has no problems. I don't see why they don't let you get a visa on your Oz passport. But if they did I'll bet they would charge the same as a new UK passport! Ha ha, cunts.

[Far Cough UKunt]

I thought the US didn't allow you to be a dual citizen?

[fraser]

I live in the US as a dual citizen. I do have two passports and no issue with that, but does this mwan that i could not visit the UK as a US citizen on my US passport. What would happen if i tried it then? would i be denied entry?

You probably wouldn't be allowed to board the plane, but if you had your expired British passport you may be able to talk them into it, this is only based on others experience travelling to Oz in the same situation so just an educated guess. 

[nychammer]

I live in the US as a dual citizen. I do have two passports and no issue with that, but does this mwan that i could not visit the UK as a US citizen on my US passport. What would happen if i tried it then? would i be denied entry?

[fraser]

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

Well TBH until today i didn't realise it was the other way around, and has been for some time, and i posted such, since 2004 apparently but yeah think its equally ridicules but at least the Aussies would let you come in on a UK passport if you relinquish your Australian citizenship! The UK would still require me to get a certificate of entitlement (COE) attached to my Aussie passport and at nearly 500 Quid a pop and it would need updating every time i needed a new passport (10 years).

Be several reasons mooted one is that its part of a crackdown on migration from commonwealth countries, been a lot of abuse of the dual citizenship rules out of some countries (sub-continent!!) and although none or very little is from Aus/NZ and Canada the rules have to apply to ALL commonwealth nations, other reasons to do with national security but seems a stretch to be targeting only those born in the UK??? so fucks know if any of those are the "official" reason?

Anyway, it is what it is, will just get a UK passport and forget about it, as posted earlier the thread was more to let others know rather than get into debates about it all. 

You'll be more pissed off when your Aussie passport expires and you can't get back into oz on your cheaper UK passport and have to fork out for your expensive Aussie one..  

[Sydney_Iron]

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

Well TBH until today i didn't realise it was the other way around, and has been for some time, and i posted such, since 2004 apparently but yeah think its equally ridicules but at least the Aussies would let you come in on a UK passport if you relinquish your Australian citizenship! The UK would still require me to get a certificate of entitlement (COE) attached to my Aussie passport and at nearly 500 Quid a pop and it would need updating every time i needed a new passport (10 years).

Be several reasons mooted one is that its part of a crackdown on migration from commonwealth countries, been a lot of abuse of the dual citizenship rules out of some countries (sub-continent!!) and although none or very little is from Aus/NZ and Canada the rules have to apply to ALL commonwealth nations, other reasons to do with national security but seems a stretch to be targeting only those born in the UK??? so fucks know if any of those are the "official" reason?

Anyway, it is what it is, will just get a UK passport and forget about it, as posted earlier the thread was more to let others know rather than get into debates about it all. 

[Manuel]

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

But you or Sydney weren't born in Australia.

Maybe the point you make is why they have done it, but for me if say a Spaniard can enter the UK on a Spanish passport, but a British national using a Spanish passport can't enter, it just seems, yea ridiculous. All IMO of course

But we're both Australian citizens and an Australian that is born there and has dual citizenship also can't enter Australia on their foreign passport so it is exactly the same. 

But if I entered on an Australian passport and I was working I would be doing so illegally and I presume wouldn't have the same NHS rights.. Maybe that is why? 

Quiet possibly. I did say earlier in the thread that on the face of it it seems ridiculous but there may be good reason(s) for it. I doubt this has been done just for a laugh and to annoy people like Sydney.

[fraser]

Out of interest, as none of this effects me, if you don't think it's ridiculous I would then assume you think it's fine, but why? For me, if a British national born in the UK cannot enter the UK on an alternative (valid) passport then to me that is ridiculous. 

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

But you or Sydney weren't born in Australia.

Maybe the point you make is why they have done it, but for me if say a Spaniard can enter the UK on a Spanish passport, but a British national using a Spanish passport can't enter, it just seems, yea ridiculous. All IMO of course

But we're both Australian citizens and an Australian that is born there and has dual citizenship also can't enter Australia on their foreign passport so it is exactly the same. 

But if I entered on an Australian passport and I was working I would be doing so illegally and I presume wouldn't have the same NHS rights.. Maybe that is why? 

[Manuel]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all the same as I don't think it is to enter Australia I need one, lots of advantages to dual nationality and all you have to do is fill in some forms and send certified photos, you could have done that instead of filling out this thread  

Out of interest, as none of this effects me, if you don't think it's ridiculous I would then assume you think it's fine, but why? For me, if a British national born in the UK cannot enter the UK on an alternative (valid) passport then to me that is ridiculous. 

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

But you or Sydney weren't born in Australia.

Maybe the point you make is why they have done it, but for me if say a Spaniard can enter the UK on a Spanish passport, but a British national using a Spanish passport can't enter, it just seems, yea ridiculous. All IMO of course