New UK rules for Expats who are Dual Citizens

[Sydney_Iron]

This is fucking madness

Thought i would post as a few expats on here, expect in the same boat as me!

The UK Government is introducing rules saying anyone Born in the UK who now lives overseas and has taken dual citizenship and passport of that country, can ONLY travel to the UK if they have a British passport! 

British and Irish dual citizens bear costly brunt of UK passport changes - ABC News

My UK passport expired in 2009 and as i had an Australian passport as well couldn't see the point in paying for 2, living this side of the world the Australian makes things easier, going to NZ and other regional countries visa free etc, but now if i want to come to the UK i need get a British passport again but as it expired so long ago the steps i need to take are fucking insane.

Be easier to go to France and get a Dinghy across the channel, may even get free hotel accommodation as well 

[Jasnik]

No I think they would hold you up while they verified your British... 

Rather than what we currently do and wave our passport and walk straight through 

[fraser]

 

Its nothing new from Australia! Nor is it only Aussies that this new UK rule affects, its anyone who takes dual citizenship of any country or are born to UK nationals.

it’s been this way basically since Australian citizenship formally came into being and broke off from the UK, and it’s been implemented for decades now. Since about 2003/4 and airline passengers have been subject to Advance Passenger Processing, which is the system where an airline checking you in sends your passport details to Canberra and needs an “OK TO BOARD” response before they can complete your check in. If an Australian Citizen presents their other passport, they can’t check in.

And as far as im aware its not as anal as the UK have made it, all Australia says is you need to use an Australian passport if you are a Citizen to enter, renounce that and you can enter on any other passport as long as you have a Visa.

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???

Form MN1: guidance (accessible version) - GOV.UK

"A child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent"

Unless this is a future thing that is not correct, my daughter has UK and Portuguese passport and goes in and out on anyone and has no problems. I don't see why they don't let you get a visa on your Oz passport. But if they did I'll bet they would charge the same as a new UK passport! Ha ha, cunts.

February 25th I think 

[Mex Martillo]

Yes you need a visa and of course you can't get a visa if you're a British citizen. Same as I can't go back to Australia without an Aussie passport.. Australia did this first. 

Its nothing new from Australia! Nor is it only Aussies that this new UK rule affects, its anyone who takes dual citizenship of any country or are born to UK nationals.

it’s been this way basically since Australian citizenship formally came into being and broke off from the UK, and it’s been implemented for decades now. Since about 2003/4 and airline passengers have been subject to Advance Passenger Processing, which is the system where an airline checking you in sends your passport details to Canberra and needs an “OK TO BOARD” response before they can complete your check in. If an Australian Citizen presents their other passport, they can’t check in.

And as far as im aware its not as anal as the UK have made it, all Australia says is you need to use an Australian passport if you are a Citizen to enter, renounce that and you can enter on any other passport as long as you have a Visa.

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???

Form MN1: guidance (accessible version) - GOV.UK

"A child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent"

Unless this is a future thing that is not correct, my daughter has UK and Portuguese passport and goes in and out on anyone and has no problems. I don't see why they don't let you get a visa on your Oz passport. But if they did I'll bet they would charge the same as a new UK passport! Ha ha, cunts.

[Far Cough UKunt]

I thought the US didn't allow you to be a dual citizen?

[fraser]

I live in the US as a dual citizen. I do have two passports and no issue with that, but does this mwan that i could not visit the UK as a US citizen on my US passport. What would happen if i tried it then? would i be denied entry?

You probably wouldn't be allowed to board the plane, but if you had your expired British passport you may be able to talk them into it, this is only based on others experience travelling to Oz in the same situation so just an educated guess. 

[nychammer]

I live in the US as a dual citizen. I do have two passports and no issue with that, but does this mwan that i could not visit the UK as a US citizen on my US passport. What would happen if i tried it then? would i be denied entry?

[fraser]

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

Well TBH until today i didn't realise it was the other way around, and has been for some time, and i posted such, since 2004 apparently but yeah think its equally ridicules but at least the Aussies would let you come in on a UK passport if you relinquish your Australian citizenship! The UK would still require me to get a certificate of entitlement (COE) attached to my Aussie passport and at nearly 500 Quid a pop and it would need updating every time i needed a new passport (10 years).

Be several reasons mooted one is that its part of a crackdown on migration from commonwealth countries, been a lot of abuse of the dual citizenship rules out of some countries (sub-continent!!) and although none or very little is from Aus/NZ and Canada the rules have to apply to ALL commonwealth nations, other reasons to do with national security but seems a stretch to be targeting only those born in the UK??? so fucks know if any of those are the "official" reason?

Anyway, it is what it is, will just get a UK passport and forget about it, as posted earlier the thread was more to let others know rather than get into debates about it all. 

You'll be more pissed off when your Aussie passport expires and you can't get back into oz on your cheaper UK passport and have to fork out for your expensive Aussie one..  

[Sydney_Iron]

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

Well TBH until today i didn't realise it was the other way around, and has been for some time, and i posted such, since 2004 apparently but yeah think its equally ridicules but at least the Aussies would let you come in on a UK passport if you relinquish your Australian citizenship! The UK would still require me to get a certificate of entitlement (COE) attached to my Aussie passport and at nearly 500 Quid a pop and it would need updating every time i needed a new passport (10 years).

Be several reasons mooted one is that its part of a crackdown on migration from commonwealth countries, been a lot of abuse of the dual citizenship rules out of some countries (sub-continent!!) and although none or very little is from Aus/NZ and Canada the rules have to apply to ALL commonwealth nations, other reasons to do with national security but seems a stretch to be targeting only those born in the UK??? so fucks know if any of those are the "official" reason?

Anyway, it is what it is, will just get a UK passport and forget about it, as posted earlier the thread was more to let others know rather than get into debates about it all. 

[Manuel]

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

But you or Sydney weren't born in Australia.

Maybe the point you make is why they have done it, but for me if say a Spaniard can enter the UK on a Spanish passport, but a British national using a Spanish passport can't enter, it just seems, yea ridiculous. All IMO of course

But we're both Australian citizens and an Australian that is born there and has dual citizenship also can't enter Australia on their foreign passport so it is exactly the same. 

But if I entered on an Australian passport and I was working I would be doing so illegally and I presume wouldn't have the same NHS rights.. Maybe that is why? 

Quiet possibly. I did say earlier in the thread that on the face of it it seems ridiculous but there may be good reason(s) for it. I doubt this has been done just for a laugh and to annoy people like Sydney.

[fraser]

Out of interest, as none of this effects me, if you don't think it's ridiculous I would then assume you think it's fine, but why? For me, if a British national born in the UK cannot enter the UK on an alternative (valid) passport then to me that is ridiculous. 

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

But you or Sydney weren't born in Australia.

Maybe the point you make is why they have done it, but for me if say a Spaniard can enter the UK on a Spanish passport, but a British national using a Spanish passport can't enter, it just seems, yea ridiculous. All IMO of course

But we're both Australian citizens and an Australian that is born there and has dual citizenship also can't enter Australia on their foreign passport so it is exactly the same. 

But if I entered on an Australian passport and I was working I would be doing so illegally and I presume wouldn't have the same NHS rights.. Maybe that is why? 

[Manuel]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all the same as I don't think it is to enter Australia I need one, lots of advantages to dual nationality and all you have to do is fill in some forms and send certified photos, you could have done that instead of filling out this thread  

Out of interest, as none of this effects me, if you don't think it's ridiculous I would then assume you think it's fine, but why? For me, if a British national born in the UK cannot enter the UK on an alternative (valid) passport then to me that is ridiculous. 

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

But you or Sydney weren't born in Australia.

Maybe the point you make is why they have done it, but for me if say a Spaniard can enter the UK on a Spanish passport, but a British national using a Spanish passport can't enter, it just seems, yea ridiculous. All IMO of course

[fraser]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all the same as I don't think it is to enter Australia I need one, lots of advantages to dual nationality and all you have to do is fill in some forms and send certified photos, you could have done that instead of filling out this thread  

Out of interest, as none of this effects me, if you don't think it's ridiculous I would then assume you think it's fine, but why? For me, if a British national born in the UK cannot enter the UK on an alternative (valid) passport then to me that is ridiculous. 

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

Maybe it just seems normal to me because I could never enter Australia on my UK passport. Neither can Sydney but I don't see him saying that's ridiculous 

Also when we came in with our kids on their Aussie passport we were told they could only stay as long as any Aussie entering the country so maybe that is why as in if someone enters on a foreign passport they only have the rights of a foreigner... But as I said having been used to it entering Australia it just seems normal. 

[Manuel]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all the same as I don't think it is to enter Australia I need one, lots of advantages to dual nationality and all you have to do is fill in some forms and send certified photos, you could have done that instead of filling out this thread  

Out of interest, as none of this effects me, if you don't think it's ridiculous I would then assume you think it's fine, but why? For me, if a British national born in the UK cannot enter the UK on an alternative (valid) passport then to me that is ridiculous. 

Any wisdom as to why this has happened?

[fraser]

Sydney 

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???


I doubt they would know if they didn't have a UK passport cause doubt it would flag, but when you apply for a passport you have to declare other passports and nationality. 

I don't think it's ridiculous at all the same as I don't think it is to enter Australia I need one, lots of advantages to dual nationality and all you have to do is fill in some forms and send certified photos, you could have done that instead of filling out this thread  

[Manuel]

Manuel, i agree it's not that hard to fix, just get a British passport if you need to visit the UK, i just originally posted the thread to let others know this new rule change, until my sister told me i was unaware! and its only weeks away.

Added stuff since as people either just make random and "fishing" like comments or to add to what's others have said.

Does seem stupid in some ways though on the one hand i can't enter the UK unless i use a UK passport as they know im a Brit by birth, but to get a new UK passport i have to prove that!!! but then again we all have to do that anyways, so yeah all a bit meh.

Sure, and it looks like you did BB a good turn going by his comment earlier.

As I said earlier I agree that on the face of it it's ridiculous, but maybe there is a good reason(s) as to why. Maybe a security thing, who knows.

[Sydney_Iron]

Manuel, i agree it's not that hard to fix, just get a British passport if you need to visit the UK, i just originally posted the thread to let others know this new rule change, until my sister told me i was unaware! and its only weeks away.

Added stuff since as people either just make random and "fishing" like comments or to add to what's others have said.

Does seem stupid in some ways though on the one hand i can't enter the UK unless i use a UK passport as they know im a Brit by birth, but to get a new UK passport i have to prove that!!! but then again we all have to do that anyways, so yeah all a bit meh.

[Manuel]

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???

Form MN1: guidance (accessible version) - GOV.UK

"A child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent"

If a kid was born overseas to a British parent, or parents, they would most likely qualify for a passport for the country they were born in, dependent on that country's 'rules', or if say their mother or father is a national of said country. Assuming they do qualify for a passport for the country they were born they won't need a British passport to enter the UK anyway as long as they are a passport holder of a country where you don't need a visa (to enter the UK). 

My daughter who is half Thai/British needs a British passport regardless to get in the UK, as can't enter on a Thai passport without a visa.

All these potential problems are easily solved just by getting a British passport, it's not that hard. 

[Sydney_Iron]

Yes you need a visa and of course you can't get a visa if you're a British citizen. Same as I can't go back to Australia without an Aussie passport.. Australia did this first. 

Its nothing new from Australia! Nor is it only Aussies that this new UK rule affects, its anyone who takes dual citizenship of any country or are born to UK nationals.

it’s been this way basically since Australian citizenship formally came into being and broke off from the UK, and it’s been implemented for decades now. Since about 2003/4 and airline passengers have been subject to Advance Passenger Processing, which is the system where an airline checking you in sends your passport details to Canberra and needs an “OK TO BOARD” response before they can complete your check in. If an Australian Citizen presents their other passport, they can’t check in.

And as far as im aware its not as anal as the UK have made it, all Australia says is you need to use an Australian passport if you are a Citizen to enter, renounce that and you can enter on any other passport as long as you have a Visa.

This new rule from the UK also affects the kids of UK nationals born overseas, as technically the UK says they are British Nationals as well!!! Quite how this is going to work is mind boggling but essentially someone could arrive at Heathrow on a non British passport (or an airport to fly to the UK) and be denied entry as they had a British parent and so can only enter on a UK passport, how fucked up is that???

Form MN1: guidance (accessible version) - GOV.UK

"A child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent"

[fraser]

Seems fair enough if the other passport does not give you the right to enter the UK? Is that the case?

Have to say, even though I left the UK 28 years ago, I have no interest in taking another nationality. The only thing that has fucked me off is that after 15 years I lost my voting rights, which meant I could not vote in Brexit. Good old democracy.

Yes you need a visa and of course you can't get a visa if you're a British citizen. Same as I can't go back to Australia without an Aussie passport.. Australia did this first. 

[Mex Martillo]

Seems fair enough if the other passport does not give you the right to enter the UK? Is that the case?

Have to say, even though I left the UK 28 years ago, I have no interest in taking another nationality. The only thing that has fucked me off is that after 15 years I lost my voting rights, which meant I could not vote in Brexit. Good old democracy.

[Sydney_Iron]

So you simply need to pay £16 and fill out a form online?

Jesus wept. Thank fuck you're not one of us anymore if that's too difficult for you.

Jesus wept indeed Niblett's son! 

You obviously just skimmed it or jumped to conclusions or are just a bit dim?

If you're an Australian it is just that simple! BUT, if your a naturalised (emigrated here) Australian who was BORN in the UK, you can only enter the UK if you use a British passport, seeing as many who emigrate take Australian citizenship, we also have Australian passports now as its been just as easy to enter the UK with up until now!

Some bureaucratic prick in the UK has for whatever reason decided if you were born in the UK you can only come back using a British passport!

I simply posted this as i expect we have expats on the board who may not be aware of the changes upcoming (we did), but yes applying for a UK passport isnt difficult, but banning your own citizens from coming back to visit family/holiday/business does seem a tad ridiculous to me, especially as any other Australian is not affected, only British and Irish born.

Do read stuff before going off half cocked please!

[Niblets]

Aust Govt Smartraveller has today updated with:Australian-British or Australian-Irish dual citizens must enter the UK on their British or Irish passports, or through a certificate of entitlement in another valid passport. These dual citizens are unable to obtain an ETA or visa to enter the UK. Dual citizens may not be able to board a flight to the UK without a valid document (see ‘Travel’). The UK government has advised these requirements will be strictly enforced from 25 February

.https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destin ... ed-kingdom

So you simply need to pay £16 and fill out a form online?

Jesus wept. Thank fuck you're not one of us anymore if that's too difficult for you.

[Gank]

Easy to call people names when you're not able to come and face them.

An anonymous username on a trivial website gets "called names" by another equally anonymous user on the same trivial web site?

What sort of insecure, lily-livered, narcissistic cսnt is going to be offended by that?

Well, 'Mike', as someone who HAS turned up to fight people based on arguments on WHO (they never show up), I'm perfectly qualified to make my statement. However, I appreciate your satirical post and thus won't be offended by it.

[BerlingtonBertie]

Good on ya Fraser.
Did you end up living in Elm Park?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Easy to call people names when you're not able to come and face them.

An anonymous username on a trivial website gets "called names" by another equally anonymous user on the same trivial web site?

What sort of insecure, lily-livered, narcissistic cսnt is going to be offended by that?