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[Come On You Irons]

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[Eerie Decent]

A Reform government?
I know people are stupid but THAT stupid
Such talent abounds 
Nigel & Liz Truss as ministers 
Tice flying in from Dubai
Rupert Lowe back in the fold to abuse more Reform officials & staff?
Teenager with the Ian Walker haircut running ICE?
The markets will destroy them in a heartbeat 

You don't luve in the real world, so it's no surprise the claptrap you come out with. You're in your 50's, single, childless, work in finance, live in Hampstead. You can afford to live life without a care in the world.

[Mr Anon]

After today’s embarrassment you are in no position to be throwing around insults at anyone on this site. At least you got a basic maths lesson for free.

Per Trillion dollars in GDP generates approx &165-190 Billion dependant on who’s algorithm you choose to believe. Since 2020 US GDP has grown from $20 Trillion to $30 Trillion. Even with your speculative numbers that would more than pay for Trumps tax cuts and then some.

But do Carry on telling everyone just how much GDP the Us will generate over the next 5 years. We’re all ears.

Per Grok AI.

The amount of tax revenue generated per $1 trillion in GDP depends on the tax-to-GDP ratio (also called the revenue-to-GDP ratio), which varies significantly by country, what level of government is included (federal/national only vs. all levels including state/local), and the specific year (due to economic conditions, policy changes, etc.).

This ratio represents the percentage of GDP collected as tax revenue. Therefore:

- Tax revenue per $1 trillion GDP = (tax-to-GDP ratio as a decimal) × $1 trillion.

### Key Examples (Based on Recent Data)
- United States (most common context for this question in USD terms):
  - Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.
    - OECD data for 2023: 25.2% total tax-to-GDP ratio.
    - Earlier/recent estimates (2021–2024 period): Often cited around 27% (Tax Policy Center) or similar.
    - → This means roughly $250–270 billion in total tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.
  - Federal revenue only (what people often mean by "tax revenue" in US discussions): Usually 16–19% of GDP.
    - Recent figures: Around 17% (U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data for FY 2025 estimates).
    - Historical average (last 40+ years): ~17.4% (CBO).
    - In some years like 2022: Closer to 19–20%.
    - → This means roughly $170–190 billion in federal tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.

You can go argue with Grok if you like.

Using Grok isn't the nail in the coffin you think it is, it still gets simple things wrong a lot, let alone moderately complex ones 

[Nurse Ratched]

A Reform government?
I know people are stupid but THAT stupid
Such talent abounds 
Nigel & Liz Truss as ministers 
Tice flying in from Dubai
Rupert Lowe back in the fold to abuse more Reform officials & staff?
Teenager with the Ian Walker haircut running ICE?
The markets will destroy them in a heartbeat 

Please enlighten us as to the abundant talent on the Labour bench. Or are you one of those minges who like to engage in performative and self-righteous criticism without being brave enough to nail your colours to a mast. That way you're never 'wrong', eh? 

I think we found our shy (very shy) Labour voter. 

("I don't vote for any of them - none of them meet my perfect standards" incoming...) 

[Mike Oxsaw]

A Reform government?
I know people are stupid but THAT stupid
Such talent abounds 
Nigel & Liz Truss as ministers 
Tice flying in from Dubai
Rupert Lowe back in the fold to abuse more Reform officials & staff?
Teenager with the Ian Walker haircut running ICE?
The markets will destroy them in a heartbeat 

What's your proposal for a solution then?

5 more years from the shower of shit currently holding the keys to the country purely because their badge/flag is the "right" colour?

[Tomshardware]

Is Nutsack American or did he choose to move to that redneck retarded country?  Either way it explains a lot about his posts.

[Fauxstralian]

Suella Braverman defects to Reform
More Tory dregs coming out of the closet 

[Fauxstralian]

A Reform government?
I know people are stupid but THAT stupid
Such talent abounds 
Nigel & Liz Truss as ministers 
Tice flying in from Dubai
Rupert Lowe back in the fold to abuse more Reform officials & staff?
Teenager with the Ian Walker haircut running ICE?
The markets will destroy them in a heartbeat 

[Council Scum]

79% of all arrests by British transport police last year for theft were migrants. 

36.6% sexual offences

35.7 percent for violent crime

39.6% for drug offences

Reform will romp home and I'm now Reform supporter. 

We need 300 Rupert Lowes to make a real difference in Parliament.  

[Eerie Decent]

There is now a very strong chance of Reform winning the next general election
 

A very strong chance? Hahaha

It's going to be an absolute landslide, you melon. Plebs like you truly do go about life with your eyes closed.

[Fauxstralian]

Reforms policies (such as they are) seem to involve lots of spending & lots of tax cuts for their mates 
As shit as Labour & the Conservatives are & have been the idea of all the collected brains I listed with their hands on the wheel is laughable if not frightening
Liz Truss in the cabinet with the teenage bozo?
Good luck with that 

[Far Cough UKunt]

The king doesn't know what he's doing, he's too busy talking to plants.

I welcome Reform if it means the end of Keir Stalin and his NKVD goons.

[Fauxstralian]

There is now a very strong chance of Reform winning the next general election
Govern for decades?
With Nazi Nigel, the bloke Tice who lives in Dubai, Liz Truss, the tax dodger Zahawi, the tube fare collector Jenrick & that teenage council leader with the curtains hairstyle running the show
Utter debacle for 5 mins before the King sends the lot to the Tower for a well deserved beheading 

[goose]

Very simply for you: 

• The US collects about $5 trillion a year in taxes
  • That’s only ~17–18% of GDP
• Because taxes are ~18% of GDP:
  • 1% extra GDP growth only raises tax revenue by ~0.18% of GDP
  • That’s about $55bn per year on today’s economy
• To cover $450bn a year in lost revenue:
  • You’d need ~8–9% EXTRA GDP growth every single year
  • On top of normal growth
• That means total growth of ~9–10% per year

 

Its stinks in my kitchen..
What is that smell.

Probably your breath.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Very simply for you: 

• The US collects about $5 trillion a year in taxes
  • That’s only ~17–18% of GDP
• Because taxes are ~18% of GDP:
  • 1% extra GDP growth only raises tax revenue by ~0.18% of GDP
  • That’s about $55bn per year on today’s economy
• To cover $450bn a year in lost revenue:
  • You’d need ~8–9% EXTRA GDP growth every single year
  • On top of normal growth
• That means total growth of ~9–10% per year

 

Its stinks in my kitchen..
What is that smell.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Burnham blocked from standing.
Labour obliterated in May elections & Farage on his way to no.10
Unbelievable o.g by Starmer & his stooges

Yep, kweer was 100% correct when he said his father made tools.

Done nothing but guarantee the party carves itself up into factions and eats itself alive.

By the time it's over and Nige is PM the Tories will be the opposition and the labour commies behind the ridiculous greens and the comical liberals.

Given the state of those 4 unless a credible centre left party emerges Reform will govern for a generation.

The  working class hero northern tramp Burnham..?
Yea yea..he/she/it is  far from that .
The cսnt is a career politician who's never worked a days graft in his/hers/it's life.

The whole fucking house needs to burn down and start again...(The country).
Compromised from top to bottom 

[Hello Mrs. Jones]

Ricky Gervais's quote is perfect for Nutsin
When you’re dead, you don’t know you’re dead. It’s only painful for others. The same thing happens when you’re stupid.”

[goose]

And it goes on to talk about federal tax revenue too. I left the benefit at state level in there to educate you that there is tax revenue generated at state level too. Something you clearly missed.

Doesn’t help the deficit but it does help Main Street.

As for the deficit as I have already explained it’s not something that will bring down the economy, Wall st have already thought of that numbnuts.

Deficits were here before Trump and it wasn’t sustainable long term under Biden either. So Trump has come in and instead of spunking the money on interest and hand outs to people who hate us he extended it to the US taxpayer instead.

To think the world will remain growing at the same clip that we are use to is a bit of a stretch. But time will tell, but the last 2 quarters of GDP are much higher than expected, if it continues it becomes a trend. 

Deregulation will open up new markets to US companies as have the Tarriffs, we really are on the cusp of the golden age.

 

 No not missed, state and local tax is irrelevant to federal debt. I’m glad you finally realised I was right about tax revenue and GDP.

You don’t think unsustainable debt brings down economies?

Debt absolutely can bring down an economy, which is why Trump is taking us off of Bidenomics.

And increasing the debt at record speed and in record amounts.

[Nutsin]

Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.

Theres your first mistake retard.
State & local taxes don’t go to the federal government.
just like I said, 17% of gdp currently.

you wanna keep on embarrassing yourself?

And it goes on to talk about federal tax revenue too. I left the benefit at state level in there to educate you that there is tax revenue generated at state level too. Something you clearly missed.

Doesn’t help the deficit but it does help Main Street.

As for the deficit as I have already explained it’s not something that will bring down the economy, Wall st have already thought of that numbnuts.

Deficits were here before Trump and it wasn’t sustainable long term under Biden either. So Trump has come in and instead of spunking the money on interest and hand outs to people who hate us he extended it to the US taxpayer instead.

To think the world will remain growing at the same clip that we are use to is a bit of a stretch. But time will tell, but the last 2 quarters of GDP are much higher than expected, if it continues it becomes a trend. 

Deregulation will open up new markets to US companies as have the Tarriffs, we really are on the cusp of the golden age.

 

 No not missed, state and local tax is irrelevant to federal debt. I’m glad you finally realised I was right about tax revenue and GDP.

You don’t think unsustainable debt brings down economies?

Debt absolutely can bring down an economy, which is why Trump is taking us off of Bidenomics.

[goose]

Per Grok AI.

The amount of tax revenue generated per $1 trillion in GDP depends on the tax-to-GDP ratio (also called the revenue-to-GDP ratio), which varies significantly by country, what level of government is included (federal/national only vs. all levels including state/local), and the specific year (due to economic conditions, policy changes, etc.).

This ratio represents the percentage of GDP collected as tax revenue. Therefore:

- Tax revenue per $1 trillion GDP = (tax-to-GDP ratio as a decimal) × $1 trillion.

### Key Examples (Based on Recent Data)
- United States (most common context for this question in USD terms):
  - Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.
    - OECD data for 2023: 25.2% total tax-to-GDP ratio.
    - Earlier/recent estimates (2021–2024 period): Often cited around 27% (Tax Policy Center) or similar.
    - → This means roughly $250–270 billion in total tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.
  - Federal revenue only (what people often mean by "tax revenue" in US discussions): Usually 16–19% of GDP.
    - Recent figures: Around 17% (U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data for FY 2025 estimates).
    - Historical average (last 40+ years): ~17.4% (CBO).
    - In some years like 2022: Closer to 19–20%.
    - → This means roughly $170–190 billion in federal tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.

You can go argue with Grok if you like.

Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.

Theres your first mistake retard.
State & local taxes don’t go to the federal government.
just like I said, 17% of gdp currently.

you wanna keep on embarrassing yourself?

And it goes on to talk about federal tax revenue too. I left the benefit at state level in there to educate you that there is tax revenue generated at state level too. Something you clearly missed.

Doesn’t help the deficit but it does help Main Street.

As for the deficit as I have already explained it’s not something that will bring down the economy, Wall st have already thought of that numbnuts.

Deficits were here before Trump and it wasn’t sustainable long term under Biden either. So Trump has come in and instead of spunking the money on interest and hand outs to people who hate us he extended it to the US taxpayer instead.

To think the world will remain growing at the same clip that we are use to is a bit of a stretch. But time will tell, but the last 2 quarters of GDP are much higher than expected, if it continues it becomes a trend. 

Deregulation will open up new markets to US companies as have the Tarriffs, we really are on the cusp of the golden age.

 

 

 No not missed, state and local tax is irrelevant to federal debt. I’m glad you finally realised I was right about tax revenue and GDP.

You don’t think unsustainable debt brings down economies?

[Nutsin]

Per Trillion dollars in GDP generates approx &165-190 Billion dependant on who’s algorithm you choose to believe. Since 2020 US GDP has grown from $20 Trillion to $30 Trillion. Even with your speculative numbers that would more than pay for Trumps tax cuts and then some.

But do Carry on telling everyone just how much GDP the Us will generate over the next 5 years. We’re all ears.

Per Grok AI.

The amount of tax revenue generated per $1 trillion in GDP depends on the tax-to-GDP ratio (also called the revenue-to-GDP ratio), which varies significantly by country, what level of government is included (federal/national only vs. all levels including state/local), and the specific year (due to economic conditions, policy changes, etc.).

This ratio represents the percentage of GDP collected as tax revenue. Therefore:

- Tax revenue per $1 trillion GDP = (tax-to-GDP ratio as a decimal) × $1 trillion.

### Key Examples (Based on Recent Data)
- United States (most common context for this question in USD terms):
  - Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.
    - OECD data for 2023: 25.2% total tax-to-GDP ratio.
    - Earlier/recent estimates (2021–2024 period): Often cited around 27% (Tax Policy Center) or similar.
    - → This means roughly $250–270 billion in total tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.
  - Federal revenue only (what people often mean by "tax revenue" in US discussions): Usually 16–19% of GDP.
    - Recent figures: Around 17% (U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data for FY 2025 estimates).
    - Historical average (last 40+ years): ~17.4% (CBO).
    - In some years like 2022: Closer to 19–20%.
    - → This means roughly $170–190 billion in federal tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.

You can go argue with Grok if you like.

Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.

Theres your first mistake retard.
State & local taxes don’t go to the federal government.
just like I said, 17% of gdp currently.

you wanna keep on embarrassing yourself?

And it goes on to talk about federal tax revenue too. I left the benefit at state level in there to educate you that there is tax revenue generated at state level too. Something you clearly missed.

Doesn’t help the deficit but it does help Main Street.

As for the deficit as I have already explained it’s not something that will bring down the economy, Wall st have already thought of that numbnuts.

Deficits were here before Trump and it wasn’t sustainable long term under Biden either. So Trump has come in and instead of spunking the money on interest and hand outs to people who hate us he extended it to the US taxpayer instead.

To think the world will remain growing at the same clip that we are use to is a bit of a stretch. But time will tell, but the last 2 quarters of GDP are much higher than expected, if it continues it becomes a trend. 

Deregulation will open up new markets to US companies as have the Tarriffs, we really are on the cusp of the golden age.

[goose]

After today’s embarrassment you are in no position to be throwing around insults at anyone on this site. At least you got a basic maths lesson for free.

Per Trillion dollars in GDP generates approx &165-190 Billion dependant on who’s algorithm you choose to believe. Since 2020 US GDP has grown from $20 Trillion to $30 Trillion. Even with your speculative numbers that would more than pay for Trumps tax cuts and then some.

But do Carry on telling everyone just how much GDP the Us will generate over the next 5 years. We’re all ears.

Per Grok AI.

The amount of tax revenue generated per $1 trillion in GDP depends on the tax-to-GDP ratio (also called the revenue-to-GDP ratio), which varies significantly by country, what level of government is included (federal/national only vs. all levels including state/local), and the specific year (due to economic conditions, policy changes, etc.).

This ratio represents the percentage of GDP collected as tax revenue. Therefore:

- Tax revenue per $1 trillion GDP = (tax-to-GDP ratio as a decimal) × $1 trillion.

### Key Examples (Based on Recent Data)
- United States (most common context for this question in USD terms):
  - Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.
    - OECD data for 2023: 25.2% total tax-to-GDP ratio.
    - Earlier/recent estimates (2021–2024 period): Often cited around 27% (Tax Policy Center) or similar.
    - → This means roughly $250–270 billion in total tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.
  - Federal revenue only (what people often mean by "tax revenue" in US discussions): Usually 16–19% of GDP.
    - Recent figures: Around 17% (U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data for FY 2025 estimates).
    - Historical average (last 40+ years): ~17.4% (CBO).
    - In some years like 2022: Closer to 19–20%.
    - → This means roughly $170–190 billion in federal tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.

You can go argue with Grok if you like.

Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.

Theres your first mistake retard.
State & local taxes don’t go to the federal government.
just like I said, 17% of gdp currently.

you wanna keep on embarrassing yourself?

[Nutsin]

Yeah I know, the sky is falling!


Again. LOL

After today’s embarrassment you are in no position to be throwing around insults at anyone on this site. At least you got a basic maths lesson for free.

Per Trillion dollars in GDP generates approx &165-190 Billion dependant on who’s algorithm you choose to believe. Since 2020 US GDP has grown from $20 Trillion to $30 Trillion. Even with your speculative numbers that would more than pay for Trumps tax cuts and then some.

But do Carry on telling everyone just how much GDP the Us will generate over the next 5 years. We’re all ears.

Per Grok AI.

The amount of tax revenue generated per $1 trillion in GDP depends on the tax-to-GDP ratio (also called the revenue-to-GDP ratio), which varies significantly by country, what level of government is included (federal/national only vs. all levels including state/local), and the specific year (due to economic conditions, policy changes, etc.).

This ratio represents the percentage of GDP collected as tax revenue. Therefore:

- Tax revenue per $1 trillion GDP = (tax-to-GDP ratio as a decimal) × $1 trillion.

### Key Examples (Based on Recent Data)
- United States (most common context for this question in USD terms):
  - Total tax revenue (federal + state + local): Typically around 25–27% of GDP in recent years.
    - OECD data for 2023: 25.2% total tax-to-GDP ratio.
    - Earlier/recent estimates (2021–2024 period): Often cited around 27% (Tax Policy Center) or similar.
    - → This means roughly $250–270 billion in total tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.
  - Federal revenue only (what people often mean by "tax revenue" in US discussions): Usually 16–19% of GDP.
    - Recent figures: Around 17% (U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data for FY 2025 estimates).
    - Historical average (last 40+ years): ~17.4% (CBO).
    - In some years like 2022: Closer to 19–20%.
    - → This means roughly $170–190 billion in federal tax revenue per $1 trillion of GDP.

You can go argue with Grok if you like.

[goose]

Yeah I know, the sky is falling!


Again. LOL

After today’s embarrassment you are in no position to be throwing around insults at anyone on this site. At least you got a basic maths lesson for free.

Per Trillion dollars in GDP generates approx &165-190 Billion dependant on who’s algorithm you choose to believe. Since 2020 US GDP has grown from $20 Trillion to $30 Trillion. Even with your speculative numbers that would more than pay for Trumps tax cuts and then some.

But do Carry on telling everyone just how much GDP the Us will generate over the next 5 years. We’re all ears.

Are you serious? You cannot be this stupid.
Do you think all GDP somehow ends up in the government’s coffers?

every 1% of GDP growth they get 0.17 of that 1% through tax revenue. 
do I have to play the maths out for you again?? 

• GDP: $30tn
• Taxes: ~17% = $5tn
• 1% GDP growth = $300bn
• Tax take from that = ~$50bn (17% of 300bn)
• Tax cut cost = ~$450bn
• $450bn ÷ $50bn ≈ 9% growth

[Nutsin]

A strong start of growth lower than Biden, higher food & electricity prices and a ballooning national debt.

congrats.

Yeah I know, the sky is falling!


Again. LOL

After today’s embarrassment you are in no position to be throwing around insults at anyone on this site. At least you got a basic maths lesson for free.

Per Trillion dollars in GDP generates approx &165-190 Billion dependant on who’s algorithm you choose to believe. Since 2020 US GDP has grown from $20 Trillion to $30 Trillion. Even with your speculative numbers that would more than pay for Trumps tax cuts and then some.

But do Carry on telling everyone just how much GDP the Us will generate over the next 5 years. We’re all ears.

[zebthecat]

I really have no idea what Keir Starmer is playing at.
He clearly speaks to nobody outside of his small group of advisors who seem expert on making any margin call incorrectly despite have had to row back on a lot of them over the last year.
It is an object lesson on how to torpedo your new government and blow a huge majority at the next election.

His robotic public speaking is also terrible which is weird.
Radio 4 had a documentary series on the campaign that led to the McLibel where Starmer was the defending barrister. At that time his public speaking was sharp, confident and amusing. He came across really well back then and did not have that strange adenoidal thing going either.
The transformation from then to now is a head scratcher.